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  • £6250 for a mountain bike?
  • I was taken aback last year when bikes hit £5k but this surely is a joke.
    When did bikes become so precious?

    ericemel
    Free Member

    Surely this is nothing new? High end has always been just that.

    I remember bikes in the early nineties carbon and titanium hard tails at £3k plus – that was 20+ years ago!

    kimbers
    Full Member

    is this the new carbon spesh demo?

    $10 000 i heard

    The-Swedish-Chef
    Free Member

    With road bikes at well over that price, something with suspension front and back seems quite good value really

    binners
    Full Member

    When did bikes become so precious?

    Since over-paid middle aged mincers, with large disposable incomes and unlimited credit, decided they wanted one. Basically. Have you seen Llandegla car park on a Saturday? 😉

    Capitalism innit? They charge what the market will stand. If they’re flogging them at that price, that’s because they know there’s a demand for them.

    I’d love to know what the profit margin is on, say, a Santa Cruz Nomad, or an Intense Carbine frame. I bet its HUUUUUUUUUUUGE

    tinsy
    Free Member

    With road bikes at well over that price, something with suspension front and back seems quite good value really

    That money gets you an all singing all dancing MX bike that would happily sit on the start gate at a GP and have a chance of winning.

    frank4short
    Free Member

    First super lightweight Klein Adroit’s were in excess of £3k they came out around 91/92. Mid way through the 90’s it was easily possible without difficulty to spend in excess £1.5k on a high end rigid frame. So when thinking about how far mtbs/ing have progressed in terms of technology and design over that period I don’t think £6k for the top end is that out of order. In fact I’m pretty certain if you set your mind to it one could easily build a bike that cost in excess of £10K.

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    If you want light, stiff and strong then it’ll cost big. If there’s a market for that then why wouldn’t you make it?

    theteaboy
    Free Member

    They don’t really intend to sell them. If a mug/ rich person wants one, great, but they’re generally just showpieces to demonstrate the awesomeness of the brand.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirational_brand

    mboy
    Free Member

    Don’t wish to sound like a socialist with a chip on my shoulder, but couldn’t agree more with binners!

    Evolution will push the price of bikes up to a point, as will increasing costs of raw materials, shipping etc. But the biggest factor determining RRP’s of bikes, bearing in mind that this is a hobby/passtime not something that is necessary to live with, is simply “how much someone is willing to pay for it”. An as binners says, get yourself up to Llandegla on a weekend, and clearly you’ll see lots of people who are very cash rich, and probably quite time poor, who are prepared to spend several times what you or I would decree is a “decent” amount for a bike.

    You can still get an exceptionally good MTB these days for less than £1k if you’re savvy and not a brand snob, and certainly £2k can buy you more than you’d ever need unless you’re on the cutting edge of competition.

    fervouredimage
    Free Member

    That money gets you an all singing all dancing MX bike that would happily sit on the start gate at a GP and have a chance of winning.

    It really wouldn’t.

    geetee1972
    Free Member

    Since over-paid middle aged mincers, with large disposable incomes

    There are also plenty of middle income mincers with medium amounts of disposable income. Why would being well paid and affluent make you any more of a target for ridicule?

    I like to think of myself as not being a mincer and having a wife with a well paid job. Should I also be castigated for having an expensive bike?

    njee20
    Free Member

    I was taken aback last year in 2009 when bikes hit £5k but this surely is a joke.

    FTFY, keep up! 2013 S-Works are over £7k!

    IHN
    Full Member

    Should I also be castigated for having an expensive bike?

    Well, in your case, there’s such a wealth of material that we can leave the bike out of it 🙂

    binners
    Full Member

    Sorry geetee – I can expand my ridicule to encompass those on middle incomes if you like? Are the poor off limits? Or can I have a pop at them too? 😀

    For what its worth, If I had the cash I’d spaff it on a XTR kitted Carbon Nomad without batting an eyelid. Alas….

    Toasty
    Full Member

    £1,000,000 for a Veyron, what a rip off! You could get like 50 top end Mondeos for that!

    There’s always going to be someone happy to pay top dollar, so there’s always going to be companies selling things at that price. I can’t think of a market in which this doesn’t apply.

    Besides, sounds cheap to me, you could buy the top end model of every major brand for less than the price of this toilet.

    tinsy
    Free Member

    It really wouldn’t.

    Yeah it would £6450 is list price.

    Though works bikes are full of trick bits (they like an upgrade even more than MTB’rs), your bog stock bike will run with them quite happily in the right hands.

    http://www.kestrelhonda.co.uk/bikelist.aspx?OBJ_ID=2329487%5D

    geetee1972
    Free Member

    Should I also be castigated for having an expensive bike?

    Well, in your case, there’s such a wealth of material that we can leave the bike out of it

    Good job I’m sat on the loo. Just pissed myself laughing at that!

    Binners knock yourself out. Don’t stop with the poor either. Those bloody immigrants should be next.

    IHN
    Full Member

    But the biggest factor determining the price of anything[s]RRP’s of bikes, bearing in mind that this is a hobby/passtime not something that is necessary to live with, [/s]is simply “how much someone is willing to pay for it”.

    Gotama
    Free Member

    I like to think of myself as not being a mincer and having a wife with a well paid job. Should I also be castigated for having an expensive bike?

    Always love it when these threads come up. Apparently if you’ve got yourself into a situation where you can afford to buy the best bit of kit, whether your riding ability warrants it or not, in the view of the STW socialist massive you are a ‘mug’. To be honest it generally smacks of nothing more than jealousy.

    xiphon
    Free Member

    If you’re seriously considering buying a £6k bike, then changes are you have a £50k Audi sitting in the drive.

    Yes, it’s a lot of money to drop on a bike (to most people).

    All relative, innit?

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    That money gets you an all singing all dancing MX bike that would happily sit on the start gate at a GP and have a chance of winning.

    It’d get you an off the shelf bike. Built in far bigger numbers than any mountainbike.

    http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/offroad/#!/crf450r/

    You could buy a £6k bike 10 years ago, why is this news?

    Infact throw any combination of Fox Fit kashima coated forks, a carbon frame, carbon finishing kit, XTR and some nice wheels together and it’d be over £6k. Comparably, have you seen what you can get for £400-£500 these days, damped forks, disk brakes, 3×10 gears etc, you can even get all-mountain suspension bikes that actualy work for under a grand, a few years ago the giant VT was hailed for bringing loads of suspension tot he mass market for £1400 when the cheepest spesh was £2k!

    z1ppy
    Full Member

    I’d love to know what the profit margin is on, say, a Santa Cruz Nomad, or an Intense Carbine frame. I bet its HUUUUUUUUUUUGE

    Stiff just dropped £900 off SC TRc (medium & XL no large)…now only £1799 (frame only), I’d use as ammo that to suggest the margin is quite large..

    What annoys me is that £500 a couple of years ago would buy you a nicely spec’d hardtail, now a on a £1000 HT you get rubbish forks!

    sobriety
    Free Member

    Back in 2005 I went for a ‘money is almost no object do it all bike’ I ended up with an SX trail, which cost about £2650 iirc. I’m still riding it.

    Prices have indeed gone mental.

    Trimix
    Free Member

    I paid a similar amount for my bike two years ago. Transition Covert, custom paint job, Hammerschmidt, Chris Kings, Kashima 36’s, Saints, bling hoses, etc etc etc.

    Soon added up, but then I am middle aged and my bike is precious.

    I got it on the *cycle to work scheme* though, so cost me about 50% of that 🙂

    *I run our c2w scheme*

    binners
    Full Member

    I reckon anyone who says wouldn’t buy the very best kit that they could afford is either a liar, or a bit odd

    Its just supply and demand innit? As the popularity of cycling has increased, demand for bikes has, thus prices. You certainly don’t see discounted bikes, frames of kit like you did a few years back.

    If the manufacturers/retailers can shift kit at full RRP, then they will. If they then sell out the stuff they’re listing at full RRP, then the RRP is going to get bumped up the subsequent year

    bravohotel8er
    Free Member

    I got in enough trouble when I spent £1500 on a Pitch Pro…apparently you can buy nearly three handbags for that sort of money.

    footflaps
    Full Member

    You can buy a Team GB Olympic track bike for about £20k……

    geetee1972
    Free Member

    I am pretty sure the margins aren’t huge. Retailers will make very little from a carbon nomad on retail over the cost from the distributor. It will be in the region of 50% if they’re very lucky and wouldn’t surprise me if it’s 30% in some instances. Distributors will be making something similar but carry a huge risk with having to hold the stock and therefore the risk. The manufacturer needs to make something similar as gross margin. So your value chain suddenly added around 100% to the cost of manufacture. This Is why so may retailers have integrated and taken on the distribution of strong brands and why some manufacturers are now selling direct.

    Bear in mind that your gross margin has to pay off all your overheads. If your netting 10% as a retailer in the end you’re doing well.

    Sui
    Free Member

    Back in 2005 I went for a ‘money is almost no object do it all bike’ I ended up with an SX trail, which cost about £2650 iirc. I’m still riding i

    is that in jest? my stiffee cost £3K in 2002.. oooerr

    edit – that wasn’t willy waving – just a point that a lot of bikes cost far more in times gone past.

    flange
    Free Member

    My current new bike (when its finished) will be over 10k. And thats a fully rigid bike, which makes the demo carbon a bargin.

    stewartc
    Free Member

    When it comes to these prices bear in mind import duties, VAT etc
    I speak as a middle aged man who could build his SC Blur TRc up for around 3k GBP due to a complete lack of import duties or sales taxes where I live.

    binners
    Full Member

    Geetee – I was asking as I’m interested in what the comparable margins would be on, say, a Carbon Nomad, compared to say a £700 hardtail. I suppose you’re margins would be lower on the £700 hardtail, as you’d be expecting to shift a fair few of them.

    How many Carbon Nomads would Santa Cruz import per year? Didn’t they sell out of them when the RRP was £2,500

    Questions, questions?

    mjsmke
    Full Member

    You could say the same thing about cars. Some people will spend 500k on their car. If they want it and can afford it, so what.

    FuzzyWuzzy
    Full Member

    Who cares, spending £6k on a bike to one person might be the same as spending £600 on a bike to another, we all have different ideas of value. If manufacturers want to create a few exotic range-toppers then good luck to them (whether it’s genuinely for development with a follow-on trickle-down effect or just for one-upmanship doesn’t bother me).
    Next we’ll be worrying about why some cars cost more than £20k…

    flange
    Free Member

    Geetee – I was asking as I’m interested in what the comparable margins would be on, say, a Carbon Nomad, compared to say a £700 hardtail. I suppose you’re margins would be lower on the £700 hardtail, as you’d be expecting to shift a fair few of them.

    Just out of interest, the cost price between the lowest spec Porsche Boxter and the most expensive 911 you can buy is £8k. So a 911 GT3 RS has got a hell of a mark up…

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    luckily however, the second-hand market is bouyant with the upgrade addicts selling off last year’s “must-haves”.

    🙂

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    the cost price between the lowest spec Porsche Boxter and the most expensive 911 you can buy is £8k.

    other way round, surely?

    _tom_
    Free Member

    I wouldn’t pay more than a grand for a bike, even that is pushing it. 2nd hand tried and tested stuff is the way to go. £6250 is ridiculous, could get a good few bike holidays out of that and have just as much fun on a cheaper bike.

    rogerthecat
    Free Member

    I like my sub £200, eBay parts built singlespeeds. Perhaps it’s because I’m a frugal Yorkshireman. More likely it’s because no amount of money spent on a bike will have as big an effect as getting fitter. That said, if you can afford one and want one then the quality of parts available to me in a couple of years on eBay. 😀

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