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  • "£59 for a mudguard?! A mudguard that will only fit a limited range of forks?! "
  • CaptainFlashheart
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    Best comment of the day from ir_bandito…

    £59 for a mudguard?!

    A mudguard that will only fit a limited range of forks?!

    You’re 4 days late….

    I agree. While I’d love to support a new UK based company, I do rather have to ask how they can get it to £59.

    Crud Catcher and a bit of old inner tube FTW!

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    😀

    shepleg
    Free Member

    Isn’t it just going to clog as it’s so close to the wheel in really sticky clumpy mud.

    Not really a STW product as you have to go fast enough to clean the mud off the tyres I guess 😯

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    I’m a self-confessed mudguard fetishist.

    I saw of the prototype ages ago:
    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/whats-this-front-mudguard

    I like the idea of a front “hugger” mudguard, rather than big Moto-X one mounted in the crouwn, but £59 really does take the p!ss for a piece of plastic.

    richc
    Free Member

    late april fools isn’t it?

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    I’ll stop ranting on the front page now.

    My initial thought was “that won’t fit on my Thors” due to the double-arch, then realised how naff it was being model specific.

    Then I remembered, Marzocchi use to produce their own specific mudguard by Acerbis. The difference was it only cost £20 new, and looked a whole load better.


    DSC_0509 by ir_bandito, on Flickr

    PJM1974
    Free Member

    £59 for a mudguard… 😆

    I think I’ll refrain from snapping one of these up any time soon…a piece of innertube and four zip-ties is probably slightly less efficient, but at 1/100th the cost I’ll stick with it for now. If I want to make it look less of a bodge then I’ll make sure I’m neater with the scissors and will slap a Hope sticker on it too.

    That’s almost as hilarious as the cost of tyres these days.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    looks good but the price is a joke

    Sam
    Full Member

    fully made and assembled in the UK – that’s what you are paying for. I guarantee if it were made in china it’d be half the price, everyone would be raving about it, and in the next breath complaining about the ‘death of british manufacturing’…

    Aidy
    Free Member

    fully made and assembled in the UK

    That may well be the case, but I’m pretty sure it’s makeable and assembleable within the UK for a good deal less than £59.

    mboy
    Free Member

    fully made and assembled in the UK – that’s what you are paying for. I guarantee if it were made in china it’d be half the price

    At half the price it would still be a rip off!

    And it would still be a product trying to be the solution to a problem that has already been solved quite effectively, by another MUCH cheaper alternative… Namely the Neoguard… Or if you’re (quite rightly) tight, an old bit of inner tube and some zip ties!

    tracknicko
    Free Member

    i have something similar that i fully made and assembled out of the back plastic cover of a black and red notepad.

    hoops over and zip ties to the fork legs, a bit like those mucky nutz ones but both sides and longer.

    cheap it was. pretty much £0.

    Aidy
    Free Member

    I mean, let’s face it – a front Hope hub is pretty much designed and built entirely within the UK (okay, so bearings will be sourced elsewhere), and is only about £50.
    I reckon there’s a lot more to that than a bit of plastic you attach to a fork.

    ir_bandito
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    But why price yourself so far out of the market, when ultimatly its a piece of plastic with some bolts? What does it matter that its made in the UK? Apart from the mold-tooling, its not complex, so ideal for sending to the far-east. Knowing that I’m paying for a Brit to take one of these out of a machine and put it in a bag, rather than a foreigner isn’t enough to make me “buy British”.

    Have a look at Chain Reaction. The most expensive mtb front mudguard is the Topeak Defender (classy name huh?) at £25. Fugly, but less than half the price of the Dfender.

    I’ll be amazed if I ever see more than 10 of these on the trails (that aren’t freebies given to journos/sponsored riders). Maybe thats why they need the high price. Not the best bsuiness plan IMO

    thomthumb
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    I reckon there’s a lot more to that than a bit of plastic you attach to a fork.

    why?

    plastic tooling is expensive.

    shepleg
    Free Member

    Would like to Brant’s take on this ‘design’ and ‘business model’, seem to remember something being said about celebrity designers by someone the other day 😉

    ir_bandito
    Free Member


    Now that’s fugly.

    a front Hope hub is pretty much designed and built entirely within the UK (okay, so bearings will be sourced elsewhere), and is only about £50.

    And Hope stuff is comparable in price pretty much to most “name brand” far-east manufactured stuff.

    The tail edge of the mudguard is further from the tyre than the middle.
    It will act as a funnel, clog with mud and stop the wheel rotating.

    It’s a basic law of mudguard design that the mudguard should get further from the tyre towards the front.

    Like this.

    ir_bandito
    Free Member

    plastic tooling is expensive

    Powa have obviously been ripped off into paying double what everyone else does…

    Aidy
    Free Member

    Crud seem to manage to make plastic things for reasonable prices within the UK.

    vinnyeh
    Full Member

    plastic tooling is expensive.

    Proportional, isn’t it?

    HIgh price, try to recover costs quickly, keep margins high, leads to low sales, and perhaps storage costs for unsold stock.

    Surely selling at a lower price would lead to a better reception for them.

    Not the best time of the year to launch, either.

    D0NK
    Full Member

    plastic tooling is expensive.

    I presume CNC machines are pretty cheap

    Crud seem to manage to make plastic things for reasonable prices within the UK.

    oh

    muckytee
    Free Member

    Anybody watched the installation video, I think they got CRC to design the packaging, that box is massive.

    Bender Fender FTW, costs under a tenner, looks like a pair of briefs, and you get a free Maoam 8)

    Frankers
    Free Member

    Sam – Member

    fully made and assembled in the UK – that’s what you are paying for. I guarantee if it were made in china it’d be half the price, everyone would be raving about it, and in the next breath complaining about the ‘death of british manufacturing’…

    Sorry Sam can’t agree with you on this, I have visited the company who manufacture Crud guards and they are located in Pickering North Yorkshire.

    They are being greedy that’s all

    Frankers
    Free Member

    D0NK – Member

    plastic tooling is expensive.

    I presume CNC machines are pretty cheap

    Crud seem to manage to make plastic things for reasonable prices within the UK.

    True plastic moulds are very expensive and you can be looking at £50-100k + depending on size and complexity. Cost for CNC is usually around £30-50 per hour and also you have to take in steel costs which is high these days.

    greeble
    Free Member

    I’ve seen these in use at recent uplift days and in very muddy conditions they work well. But dam expensive!

    xiphon
    Free Member

    The mudguard is strapped to a pair of £900 forks, so it looks cheap by comparison.

    pitduck
    Free Member

    way way too expensive 😯

    greeble
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    D0NK
    Full Member

    Cost for CNC is usually around £30-50 per hour

    presumably hope don’t hire them by the hour.

    Out of interest rough cost of cnc machine?
    I have no idea but pricey I’d guess.

    Stoner
    Free Member

    Out of interest rough cost of cnc machine?

    Bargin

    muckytee
    Free Member

    Haha, the wonders of Ebay

    I think the mud guard itself is pretty ugly TBF, oh and the price is insane.

    philconsequence
    Free Member

    59quid for a mudguard?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?!!!!111!1!11 1oneoneone!

    D0NK
    Full Member

    BNIB stoner?

    failedengineer
    Full Member

    The cost of the CNC machine is irrelevant surely?

    twin cavity mould tool for that mudguard about £35-50,000 if made in UK, c.£25,000 in China. Raw material? I’m a bit out of touch, but say, £1.00. Packaging? £1.00. Then you’ve got assembly and packaging labour costs on top. How many will they sell per year? 2000? 5000? The finance for the tooling has to be paid back in, say 18 months. Do the maths ….. Still pretty profitable, I’d say.

    D0NK
    Full Member

    The cost of the CNC machine is irrelevant surely?

    cost of cnc machine was linked to the £50 hope hub example.

    brant
    Free Member

    Chris Porter may be many things, but stupid he isn’t.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    expensive then Brant

    I dont recall you over pricing your goods

    That is stupid money for a piece of plastic – there can be no debate of that

    LoCo
    Free Member

    They’re supposed to work very well, don’t think I’ll be buying one until I break/lose my collection of other front guards though.

    Happy to ‘test’ one though 😉

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