I wouldn’t worry about the ST angle on the endo, those comments relate to the 1st gen model. The 4×4 design is bang on and I have had little maintainence to do on my first gen endo. The ST angle is fine for me at 5 10 with a medium plus 50mm stem. 150mm white bros loop fork.

As comments above its got a stiff rear end and I’ve had 2 Ventanas with quad bearings, which are known for their stiffness. I’ve ridden all but TNT spots and as much as I like them I prefer the knolly.

Never ridden a Lappierre, except a quick spin on a froggy. Never ridden in anger but it felt nice.

Have you considered after sales support on your options?

It would cross my mind. You know if something did go wrong, some of those brands may tell you to whistle, some may be proactive in helping you out, however big/small, despite not being the original owner.

Are you sure that the Knolly is the 2nd gen as they are very very different, I have got a first gen endo that cracked in the swing arm as a lot have. Knolly were awesome as it was out of warranty, took awhile due to manufacturing issues but ended up with a chilcotin at accident damage rates. Would have had an endo but weren’t out at that time, mates just in the process of building a new endo now so not ridden one as yet but the crazy seat angle has gone which was an issue for me at 6′ 2 on a large. Meant I was well over the back wheel. Wouldn’t hesitate recommending a knolly in any flavour, fantastic grip climbing, very stiff and a machine down hill. Have owned Horst link 5 spot and ridden various other 5’s and is a very different bike, not worse just different.

This.

I’m 5’11” and the large was the best fitting bike I’ve ever had (2010 model). They have tons of standover and the frames can be had for a song. Also worth considering that Turner have a brilliant reputation for after sales support and the warranty is transferable unlike the other brands.

I wouldn’t say the DW link is the best suspension though. I couldn’t get on with it and never achieved full travel. That said, it was remarkable how quick it was – every pedal stroke seemed to make it surge forward and I found I was generally pushing a higher gear everywhere. They are great bikes and I was saddened that I couldn’t get the back end working the way I wanted.

Mine was the shock from the factory, which was actually light compression medium rebound. It was setup correctly for my weight and it just didn’t feel right; I played around running more/less pressure but no avail, it just never got full travel in any situation. I don’t mince around either and purposefully started looking for hard hits to see if I could get it into the last bit if travel. I’ve been used to Horst link Nicolais for some time and Single pivot oranges before that so maybe it’s just me that didn’t like it.

That actually looks really nice weeksy!!

You’re mad if you’re swapping your Salsa (just had a look, pretty smart!) for that.

There must be something better out there, or split it and sell then spend the money on a bike that’s actually decent.

The forks are fairly whack, as are the brakes, and those wheels – ARGH! Why would you ever want them when you could get Hope hubs on Flows! Then the fact it’s got 9 speed and cheap finishing kit.

Yep as mentioned that’s the older model, think they also get good reviews though

What does the Knolly weigh?

Knolly for me! I am just waiting on the 2014 650B knolly warden in March