456 gets my ‘vote’

Think they look better – nice colour options (not keen on raw)

More versatile ?

does this help?

Flexy? Are you on the same planet as everyone else?

Head angle is pretty much the defining character of how a bike feels IMO. I’ve got an old, steep angled bike, a pretty slack FS bike and 2 somewhere in the middle. As you’d expect the steep one climbs well and feels lively and the slack one is far better and more confident at speed downhill, but noticeably slower to respond on the flat 🙂

Crikey! As a Steel 456 (former) owner and a Ti 456 owner I’d say the following:

Ugly stays is a somewhat subjective statement – Dekerf do something similar that people seem to fawn over.

Heavy – Yes, theres no getting away from it that the 456 is not a light frame. However, in comparison to quite a few of the newest CEN compliant steel frames intended for similar riding, its actually fairly light/midweight.

Flexy is not something you can accuse a 456 of, unless you’re comparing it to one of those ridiculously overbuilt DJ things.

If there’s any left I can recommend the carbon 456 at £399……

🙂

IMG_0859 by PeterPoddy, on Flickr

Depends on the bike I’d guess, BWD. My Pitch is pretty darn slack, but my old FSR was nowhere near it… 🙂

Really?

yes.

67.5degrees.

doesn’t sound completely mental does it?

(if you don’t ride down many steep trails then a ‘normal’ 456 would be ideal)

(and i love the look of the 456 carbon)

Do people not put any value in powdercoated finish? Frame features to prevent and protect against chainsuck, offering big mudclearance? Bolt on guides so you don’t need zip ties or to split your cables? Seat angles that put taller riders in the right place? Self apply decal sets?

If people don’t want that stuff, well, we could make ’em a lot cheaper.

Bit you know what… I kind of like that stuff, and that’s why we do.

On one rock. No question. But the Pig is a bit different.

The Pig is better in lots of small ways, especially for taller people. I’ve had no chainsuck all winter, the clip-on guides are great. I’d say its well worth the extra dough.

while we are at it the bolt on cable guides are great esp as i was able to run my rear brake on the down tube allowing for a cable guide for my dropper post 😉 shame i cant ride for toffee tho im getting better lol

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They are indeed both hardtails 😉

put the saving towards better components

Personally I don’t reckon you’ll notice a tangible improvement by spending the £34 difference on better components. If it were me I’d be spending it on the more advanced and more capable frame.

Well, it was you that caused the On One chainsuck problem that exists on certain frames, so I wouldn’t boast about that too much if I were you, and to be honest I think the Ragley bolt on cable guides are poor. Self apply decals are purely a money saving ploy. Personally I’d prefer them under the laquer but if the frames cheap enough I’ll live with it. (and get my own made as above)

Sorry, but personally I wouldn’t even consider a Ragley

456 also gets the vote! I also know someone who might have a mint 16″ TI 456 frame to move on.

I’d go for the Blue Pig personally. (Actually I’d go for a second hand Cove Handjob which is what I went for buy that’s another thread).

Dunno what yout frok situation is but if you went for an Mmmbop, you could take advantage of the very cheap forks with 1.5″ steerers knocking about at the mo.

I’m sure he’ll get over it, if you don’t like em, don’t buy em.

I missed the chainsuck comment.

Is that a plea of guilty?

It used to be the On One party line that owners were guilty of faulty gear changing….in my case it was strange the rider never had faulty gear changing for the twenty years prior to their owning a 456.

I enjoyed mine tho….good at covering ground and getting across sketchy stuff………good at climbing……never brilliant at descending.

The Blitz is a little heavier than my pre-CEN 456, and a little pricier but way better.

Really? Says it’s 4.6lb. That’s light. That’s Cotic Soul type light.
http://sanderson-cycles.com/content/sanderson-blitz

Looks ace. And 67deg head angle at sag is my type of head angle. Couple of degrees slacker than the 456.

Nice frame.

My 18″ Blitz weighed 5.8lbs, and built up with sturdy kit it weighes 29.3lbs.

I saw that 4.6lbs on their webpage aswell, and I think it goes on to say the Blitz is made of Reynolds 853, which is also untrue. I think they have another webpage out there that gives the true facts/figures and when I spoke to them about it, prior to buying, they were quoting near 6lbs for frame weight.

Well i always thought chain suck was down to worn drivetrain,mud,