3 referendums on the same subject, no-one could complain then could they?

WANNA BET ROFL

maybe if we drew straws

CMD has just served him a large shit sandwich.

He’s served us all one, really.

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Worst Prime Minister EVER.
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Nobody knows that. If we do leave and prosper, I look forward to all of you putting your hands up and admitting that you were just guessing.

Be more than happy to, but so far it’s not looking good; only 2 $trillion wiped off stock markets so far….

I’ve worked ~70 hours this last week culminating with a 16 hour day yesterday.

The blame culture is strong in this one.

However the education must be money well spent, it at least allows you to get all uppetty

signed your sincerely

My mortgage is paid for at 45

So what

He’s served us all one, really.

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Worst Prime Minister EVER.
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He won’t be remembered for skull****ing a dead pig though. Some feat to get that off his epitaph.

philxx – You seem very angry for somebody whose side just won.

Is something bothering you? You can talk to us.

I may have missed something. I’ve not read every post.
But the consensus is that we can’t / shouldn’t have another referendum because some didn’t get the vote they wanted.
Do those same conditions apply for the SNP in Scotland? It didn’t happen for them last year, yet they want another in / out Scottish referendum.
Seems as if its good for one and not the other!

philxx – You seem very angry for somebody whose side just won.

Is something bothering you? You can talk to us.

I didn’t vote, I have no dog in that race.

I do feel bad for Daffy though, maybe he could actually cross the lazy off his signature tagline

Watch this and tell me if you are entirely happy about the democratic vote to leave , if you still agree then you are a …………….. (insert suitable expletive here)

Mrwhyte, you are a classic example, or at least that’s what comes across, (hopefully I am wrong as I don’t know you), of what is wrong with our country.
You didn’t get what you wanted so you want to play another game.
We live in a country where people want their own little desires satisfied at what ever the cost to any one else, be it, having a cheeky trail because “I know better and RoW laes are silly”, deciding that the speed limit is silly because one is a superior driver or just not getting your way. I teach 7 year olds who stick their bottom lip out when I say that they can’t use the felt pens. Same thing.
Like it or not, and I still can’t decide, the country did what it did and that’s fair.
I have to assume that you and others like you would support a re-vote if we voted to stay. After all its was close so it must be wrong.
I doubt that you would want that type of fair though.
I defy anyone to prove that we are economically screwed. Go on do it!
You can’t. You can’t even get close any more than we can prove that we are not. In 25 years time, yes.

Some one above reckoned that the margin was not enough for a decent majority. Well this is one election where everything went as it should. A simple yes or no and one side won. That’s how elections should be not buggering about being tactical for a bunch of rogues.

Re the Scots.
No, they shouldn’t. At least under the current terms.
If we can all vote then just maybe. They might just get what they want.
Unless of course its agreed that any time any one is unsuccessful in a vote we keep voting until it changes. At which point the other side wants their say and we mess about again.
I assume that all those who wanted to stay also bemoan the fall of the Soviet Union. Same idea isn’t it

matt- for such a sweeping statement like that shows also what is wrong with our country.

What I am frustrated about is that it now seems the debate about the pros and cons of the EU has started now, and not during the referendum. It has only been since yesterday, that many have realised what some of the facts are, and what some of the consequences are.

I teach secondary students, and we had a more informed debate in school, than most of the country did.

ps- they still stick their bottom lip out in secondary school when you say use biro to write with and not pencil 😉

In the past few weeks more I have, more than ever, come to realise that I am very fortunate.

I grew up in a non-affluent working/lower middle class ( 2 generations from poverty and 1 from poor working class) respectable, loving family of tolerant, but hard-working and charitable people. We had books in the house and was encouraged to be inquisitive.

I had a state education that was quite good. I went to an old university, met interesting people and even encountered a certain pre-politics Boris Johnson at a debate.

I have a circle of friends of similar background and Suburban Middle-england income/lifestyle.

My colleagues are similarly educated.

I am used to reasoned discussion and debate at work and outside.

I find it really hard to reconcile the sort of emotional, lightweight, flakey argument and “justification” given by the (few) people that I have encountered voting to leave the EU.

The apparently self-spiting and self-destructive madness of many people in deprived areas of the UK baffles me as it is so far removed from my own normal state of rationality.

The result of the referendum angers and saddens me.

You have to wonder if people real don’t like the situation the democratic system has produced why not go to Europe, problem solved see how they welcome you.

Hang on. You’re saying that a second referendum on the EU would make a mockery of democracy?

Presumably we should have a 3rd one to fix that then?

Anna Soubry on Ch4 News saying that BoJo had no interest or expectation in Vote Leave winning. As a fellow Tory she was absolutely livid with him for the damage he had done in pursuit of personal advancement

Part of me wants this to go and reveal how rotten all of them are.

Same here. Those of us with houses, savings, decent jobs and most importantly the experience, qualifications and a modicum of intelligence to adapt to whatever happens next will mostly be ok. We’ll be negatively affected, but we’ll be ok. Not the people at the bottom though who have idiotically registered their ‘protest’ in the stupidest way possible. If they were that bothered why did they vote for a tory govt little over a year ago? The trouble is that now those in the middle are going to have very little sympathy for the people who will now inevitably suffer most from this. What a lovely rosy future to look forward to. If we think this country is divided now, just give it a few years.

As a fellow Tory she was absolutely livid with him for the damage he had done in pursuit of personal advancement

It’s called a Pyrrhic victory.

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat

Maybe an immediate re-vote would be a mockery but, considering we have had to make an informed decision without the support of an actual plan in the case of a leave vote, what I would like to see is the government working their arse off over the summer and coming back with an “are you sure” vote which could be far better informed once we have a vague indication of the deal we might actually achieve.

Those of us with houses, savings, decent jobs and most importantly the experience, qualifications and a modicum of intelligence to adapt to whatever happens next will mostly be ok.

Still at least, on the plus side, I won’t have to worry about ever hitting the maximum lifetime pension allowance 😉

Those of us with houses, savings, decent jobs and most importantly the experience, qualifications and a modicum of intelligence to adapt to whatever happens next will mostly be ok.

I imagine a fair few people in that position will also be directly responsible for the employment of some of those in other position. I wonder how many will be going into work next week with thoughts of revenge on their minds.

Well, 1.7 million sign a petition to have another referendum so they get the result that they want, then when the result goes their way they’ll be another petition by the other side to get the result that they want.

Rinse and repeat how many times, that isn’t democracy.

We all had a vote, some voted, some didn’t.

I imagine a fair few people in that position will also be directly responsible for the employment of some of those in other position. I wonder how many will be going into work next week with thoughts of revenge on their minds.

Nope. Being involved in a previous redundancy process is the hardest thing I’ve had to do at work. One reason I was for Remain

A possible way out?

This comes with huge problems, but pragmatic common sense should override democratic principle, especially as now we know that the out vote was almost certainly a result of blatant lies and promises from the vote leave campaign. Cameron said he’d invoke article 50 immediately. He hasn’t done that, so that would indicate that some thinking is being done.

Who knows, <fantasy land>this could be a huge blessing in disguise, the population could change it’s mind in the face of horrific consequences, and the people at the bottom who voted out as a protest could be bought off with radical reforms and investment to address the issues around low wages, social decay, social mobility, public services and housing</fantasy land>

+1 rkk01.
It truly sucks.
I am hoping it won’t come to that in the business I’m in but if it does I hope those that voted leave have the decency to volunteer for redundancy.

I hope those that voted leave have the decency to volunteer for redundancy.

There’s a guy at my work who said the main reason he was voting out was to make redundancy more likely as he’s got 20 years built up.

Signed, 2.2m signed so far.

Let’s end this pathetic Out nonsense.

A referendum is not legally binding. I’d be perfectly happy for Parliament to hold a vote and overrule the majority Leavers, on the grounds that they’re too stupid to be given a say.

An example of what we will lose: my sister did a 1yr EU-funded apprenticeship in a deprived corner of France. She stayed on at that company for two more years, becoming fluent in French in the process. Then came back to the UK where she now uses the skills she learned. Winners: French company gets paid-for employee, British company gets skilled employee, sister gets skills and language, EU gets to feel all fuzzy about looking out for its citizens and deprived regions.

Another thing – one for all those saying that the losing “side” should suck it up and move on…

At what point, do you think, should a “good loser” be called a “quitter”…

and a “poor loser” be admired for the dogged pursuit of their cause?

There’s a lot of angry people looking to minimise the implications of this National self harm

and the people at the bottom who voted out as a protest could be bought off with radical reforms and investment to address the issues around low wages, social decay, social mobility, public services and housing</fantasy land>

And who would pay for this socialist utopia, the EU who we’ve just told to shove it?…or this country with massive personal and governmental debt?….spending money is easy when it’s not yours eh?….just ask Greece.

Welcome to the modern UK.

Expertise is to be ignored.

Facts and truth are negotiable.

Debating is just a matter of shouting, “Rubbish!”

Ignorance is a virtue.

Serious matters are treated with as much consideration as Britain’s Got Talent.

The ultimate in dumbing down.

Terrible

There’s a lot of angry people looking to minimise the implications of this National self harm

Yep, personally I see avoiding a massive recession and job losses as infinitely more preferable to anything the Brexiteers have offered us…

one for all those saying that the losing “side” should suck it up and move on…

Yup, I’ve been told that by one of my out-voting ‘friends’. They’re so bloody stupid they think it’s like losing a football match.

Let’s end this pathetic Out nonsense.

Lol, yes let’s force through something to reverse what was a perfectly democratic process…..jesus wept, the crying over the result is unreal.
I hate Labour, never vote for them but if they win an election I take it on the chin, it would be nice to see some grace from the people who lost the Remain campaign.

An example of what we will lose: my sister did a 1yr EU-funded apprenticeship in a deprived corner of France. She stayed on at that company for two more years, becoming fluent in French in the process. Then came back to the UK where she now uses the skills she learned. Winners: French company gets paid-for employee, British company gets skilled employee, sister gets skills and language, EU gets to feel all fuzzy about looking out for its citizens and deprived regions.

I think the nasty elements exposed in this referendum have a name for that sort of behaviour 🙁

Welcome to the modern UK.
Expertise is to be ignored.
Facts and truth are negotiable ignored / scoffed at.
Debating is just a matter of shouting, “Rubbish!”
Ignorance is a virtue.
Serious matters are treated with as much consideration as Britain’s Got Talent.
The ultimate in dumbing down.
Terrible

Agree with all that – but cheekily added my own little edit 😉

And who would pay for this socialist utopia, the EU who we’ve just told to shove it?…or this country with massive personal and governmental debt?….spending money is easy when it’s not yours eh?….just ask Greece.

Did you miss the <Fantasy Land> caveat? But seeing as you ask, how about working out how much this is going to cost over the next 50 years, and investing a good proportion of that in reforms and infrastructure that will help those who think leaving is going to solve all their problems?

I hate Labour, never vote for them but if they win an election I take it on the chin, it would be nice to see some grace from the people who lost the Remain campaign.

FFS can you seriously not see the difference between this and an election that is held every 5 years?

philxx1975 – Member

The blame culture is strong in this one.

…exactly whom or what did I blame?

However the education must be money well spent, it at least allows you to get all uppetty

Uppity? I do tend toward defending myself and my peers from sweeping generalisations made by uninformed (based upon posted content) morons, yes.

My mortgage is paid for at 45

So what

I think this should’ve really been posted as My mortgage is paid for at 45, so what? because that’s what I thought when I read it – SO WHAT?

You’re implying causation from correlation. You’re implying that the reason your mortgage is paid off at 45 is because you’re all that. In reality (and I’m making assumptions here based upon your username) The only thing you are is old. Old enough to have bought when access to the property ladder was easy, when migration and increasing house prices worked for you and now that it has, you’d like to raise the drawbridge. Despite being only 41, you’re statistic put you firmly in the 55+ category where, debts and mortgage are paid and problems in the economy don’t really affect you, so the rest of us be damned.

It is nothing like an election! This is permanent, end of. We will not have another chance for a generation or more. Even then, if we vote to go in, will they want us back?

Even then, if we vote to go in, will they want us back?

We haven’t left yet, and they have no power to kick us out. Things would be a bit frosty for a while though, but it’s always been like that.

EDIT: Sorry, you were talking about getting back in once we’ve left. So yes, you’re right, they wouldn’t.