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  • 26 v 650B v 29 opinions from pink bike (not answers)
  • saladdodger
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    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/26-vs-275-vs-29-Wheels.html

    the one thing I noticed was the word “FUN” was used alot and there was no marketing bollocks

    As for me I just like riding bikes

    njee20
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    Also says the 29er was fastest, but little is made of that. Depends a lot on what you want from your riding. Ie it’s personal…

    mikewsmith
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    Done last week I think. The 29 faster in the loop the 26 on the decent. Possibly more was made of the fun as that could have been the less scientific but more important answer.

    sailor74
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    not sure its a valid test. What does ‘wheel corrected geometry’ mean? All bikes have same head angle? All BB’s the same height, or same height relative to axles?
    From what I understand 29ers tend to have steeper head angles so if they are all the same then its not really a surprise that 29ers are quicker.
    A better test in my opinion would be to put the fastest 26er up against the fastest 29er.

    njee20
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    Fastest how?

    mikewsmith
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    Does fastest equal funnest?

    sailor74
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    does fastest equal funnest? maybe, maybe not, but it seems to be the yardstick with which the majority wants to measure, especially as funnest is so subjective.

    As for ‘fastest how’, I think the press and mtb riders in general know which are the quickest in each category, and which are the best allrounders. Just seems to me it would be a better way to compare bikes as they are more than just their wheel size.

    clubber
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    my 29er is fun in a different way to my 26″ bikes. I like that they’re different. ymmv.

    wrecker
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    The 29er wasn’t fastest on the descents. So it depends on your leaning.
    It’s reinforced that I don’t want a 29er.

    vondally
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    i thought it was a ‘good’article, looked a proper trail that lots of riders could use so aimed at joe public.

    I found my 29er scandal fine on twisty trails and i had fun as they say a bit monster truck but giggling at the end

    rode my 26er Yeti 7 and it was more flickable and ‘lived in’

    there in lies the issue still learning how to ride a 29er and use its full potential and I thin it takes more than a couple of days.

    overall good article though

    dreednya
    Full Member

    Does fastest equal funnest?

    ask any DHer and the answer is still no, even on descents 🙂

    Rorschach
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    29ers tend to have steeper head angles so if they are all the same then its not really a surprise that 29ers are quicker.

    So speed is directly proportional to head angle?

    mikewsmith
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    It seems most obvious that numbers make the best bike just pick them from a spreadsheet and send it via accounts for approval.

    sailor74
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    So speed is directly proportional to head angle?

    depends on the trail\track, but going downhill if everything else was equal the slacker bike would in all probability be quicker, hence why angle sets and offset bushings have become so popular.

    Rorschach
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    vondally
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    speed directly related to rider……………….

    martinxyz
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    I’m surprised they are still coming out with ‘the fastest’ when it’s complete bullshit. A 29er wheel is faster over certain terrain but it is not the fastest wheel over all types of terrain.

    If they owned a selection of bikes and rode them back to back over a selection of terrain from rock gardens right down to smooth singletrack with steep climbs and steep descents,they would soon find this out.

    Rorschach
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    A 26er wheel is faster over certain terrain but it is not the fastest wheel over all types of terrain.

    martinxyz
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    Exactly.

    martinxyz
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    To get more of an idea of whats right you’ve got to ride UP the hills also.

    This was from some Canadian guy on that forum. I have to agree.

    Rorschach
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    Now 27.5ers….that’s a whole differnt kettle of fish 😉 (or so we are lead to believe).

    martinxyz
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    I see what you are getting at there ;O)

    So you are saying it’s the 29er that is faster over ‘all types of terrain’?

    mrmoofo
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    Good find – thanks for that

    Not sure I’m with the concept of the fastest – I would like to know which is the most versatile up and down hills

    mikewsmith
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    lol and for those who havn’t got all the way through it they used strava to measure it so as some would point out there could be months between the real times anyway 😉

    jameso
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    Interesting to read these comparisons, as much for method and rider’s take on it.
    A few of us did a similar test with some 26, 27.5 and 29 production bikes, 2 out of the 5 were bikes I had specced and designed frames for. Hardtails, for better focus on wheel effect on the bikes and less taken out by sus. Used a fairly average section of trail, rode it over and over swapping between bikes. My conclusion about wheel sizes wasn’t the most important bit, what stood out was I thought tyre volume had more to do with which bike I liked. Thinner/average tyres on a 29er felt lamer, fat 650B felt great. Seemingly skinny-ish 2.2 on a 26 did nothing for me, wasn’t impressed yet it was a format I’d been riding a lot until fairly recently, that or later 2.4s. I ride fat 29er rims + tyres out of choice on my own bike now. Links, or just personal preference, I’m not sure yet.
    So much easier to talk about / market wheel size rather than volume and pressure combos.

    mrmoofo
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    But wheels and tyres don’t sell as many units …

    mikewsmith
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    [video]http://vimeo.com/57828299[/video]
    Having seen this I can see why 26 is so yesterday. It’s all about rolling and uphill and all that……

    deanfbm
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    That brycelend vid will blow many a STWer mind. 😉

    That vid is one of my favourites in a while.

    26″ wheels, 5″ bike, flat pedals, saddle down, standing up, stomping on the pedals, ragging and fun.

    Far removed from 6″ bike, blue route, seated, gentle pedalling mincing, that i imagine a majority of STW get up to. Actually it isn’t just a STW thing, but a MTB public thing.

    *Anticipates excuses like “but he’s pro”. Skill level doesn’t stop anyone attempting with that style and mindset. Surprisingly enough, if you try, it comes.

    ojom
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    In awe. Coming out popping wheelies. So nice.

    christhetall
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    Has anyone spotted the obvious flaw ?

    The best bike is the one considered the most fun, but that seems to be the one which makes the same ride the most challenging. You can also make a ride more challenging by ignoring other innovations, such as suspension, dropper seat posts, disk brakes. Or you can embrace the new technology and seek out more challenging terrain ?

    deanfbm
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    Or you can embrace the new technology and seek out more challenging terrain ?

    Problem with that is owning a DH bike doesn’t make you aaron gwin or able to get down the same things. There comes a point where the rider has to come in, just as the rider will be the limiting factor on a xc bike on fort will. A bigger bike may help, earn a couple of seconds, but won’t be the deciding factor.

    It just so happens that tech removes the novice rider from what is going on, hindering skill progression. Tech breeds the rider being able to survive more circumstances (i use survive strongly), at detriment to the rider actually understanding what is going on, which in the long run, is going to result in better times, control and fun.

    The other major flaw is, in reality, who has whistler or the alps for their back garden, the more riding you dull out that exists around you, the less you have to ride that is fun. Why chip away at what you have to ride. It’s not like more bike will open out much more extreme riding opportunities, again with rider skill, skill will open up a lot more. Rider skill can also make the boring trails more interesting, so skill opens up riding at both ends of the spectrum, more bike will only open up a little bit more at the more technical end.

    Plus you skipped the point that on that particular test, the 26 was fastest down the descent.

    Paceman
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    26 and 29 aren’t the problem, they offer different enough benefits to make them worthwhile, it’s the shoe-horning of 650b into the marketplace that’s the issue for me.

    29ers also take some getting used to and definitely didn’t feel as fun for the first few months for me; just as fun now though and make a nice alternative to my 26er.

    Plus you skipped the point that on that particular test, the 26 was fastest down the descent.

    I think most riders on this forum like the challenge of the climb and the bits in between as well as the descents.

    The Blur Tr video is amazing but I reckon that rider could do that on most mountain bikes regardless of wheel size, frame material etc.

    asterix
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    that vid looks good enought to make even me want / think about a new bike

    nice to see a company still offering good choice in 26er (because I’m not 6 foot plus and dont need a 29er)

    mikewsmith
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    26 and 29 aren’t the problem, they offer different enough benefits to make them worthwhile, it’s the shoe-horning of 650b into the marketplace that’s the issue for me.

    Close minded people who have made their choice why can’t 650 be better than 29, if we stopped at 2 sizes why not 24 & 26??
    If we evolve to 29 then consider 26!!

    bloody wheel sizeists

    Paceman
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    26 and 29 aren’t the problem, they offer different enough benefits to make them worthwhile, it’s the shoe-horning of 650b into the marketplace that’s the issue for me.

    Close minded people who have made their choice why can’t 650 be better than 29, if we stopped at 2 sizes why not 24 & 26??
    If we evolve to 29 then consider 26!!

    You miss the point entirely; 650b may offer some benefits over 26″ and 29″ wheels, but also some drawbacks, i’m fully aware of that and embrace new technology in our sport.

    You clearly feel 650b should replace 29er by the tone of your post, the sad thing is the introduction of 650b may mean the end of 26er wheels in all but specialist downhill bikes. I fear this is a bad thing and that is why i’m reluctant to embrace a third wheelsize in between the existing standards.

    Singlespeed_Shep
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    I don’t get why its a problem, 3 wheel sizes.

    I also don’t get the marketing BS bit. every product has marketing bs behind,

    Dropper posts, clutch rear mechs, 1×11 etc.

    deanfbm
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    The Blur Tr video is amazing but I reckon ANY rider could do that on most mountain bikes regardless of wheel size, frame material etc.

    My point exactly and post minorly adjusted accordingly.

    A bike that is “better” gives a mental lift, it’s that mental lift that is normally the performance enhancement when it comes to skill, i would also argue the same when it comes to fittness and stength.

    Why can’t more concentration be put on cutting out the change in bike and cutting straight to the mental adjustment?

    Paceman
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    I don’t get why its a problem, 3 wheel sizes.

    It’s not a problem for us, but it will be for your local bike shop when making decisions on what components and spares to stock.

    Deanfbm, I completely agree on the rider skill and mental preparation side of things by the way; proper coaching and practise will make a much greater difference than new kit for most of us.

    Kryton57
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    Why can’t more concentration be put on cutting out the change in bike and cutting straight to the mental adjustment?

    jedi sponsered by [i]insert major bike corp here[/i]?

    cookeaa
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    …The selling point was the compromise – they should roll better than a 26 inch wheel, but keep the bike feeling livelier than a 29er. There was also a hint of hysteria; off the record people were admitting that they’d blown it with 29ers, missed the boat, and they were damned sure they weren’t going to miss this one….

    That section about summed the whole 27.5″/650b up for me…

    The “Testing” they did was more Qualitative which TBH is probably more relevant to the majority of MTBers (who either don’t race or spend more of their time ‘Just’ enjoying riding), how does a bike feel to ride? rather than what is the most efficient way to roll along on straight sections…

    My reading of it was that 26″ is still more ‘Fun’ 29″ is not without a fun factor and the fact that 29″ can roll through stuff (Plow) that bit easier does add something, but that it’s still not quite the daddy on tighter, twisty, technical stuff.

    As for 27.5? I read the piece almost as a big shrug in that regard, it’s neither one thing or the other… Compromise? Middle for diddle? Meh…

    I’m perfectly willing to accept that had the bicycle industry gone anoher way we’d have all been riding on 650b wheels for the last 30 odd years but they didn’t and 26″ wheels have done us proud ever since and still work well for most people.

    I think 29″ wheels offer enough positive differences from 26″ to add something to the riding experience for many.

    But I still can’t help seeing 27.5″ as a cynical marketing ploy, primarily from those companies that just failed to jump on the 29er bandwaggon in time. But the boat has sailed and the 29er “Trick” isn’t so easily repeatable…

    Yes Intense are rolling out a 650b DH bike this coming season and no doubt there will be others.
    I’ll not dispute the marginal technical benefits of a 27.5″ wheel over 26″ but then there’s the consumer to consider, how do they really benefit from a 3rd “Standard” in the Mix?

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