The ball was on the ground. Brown was absolutely entitled to kick it away. Murray should not have been cuddling the ball on the ground. Penalty england.

I agree wrecker, but the penalty then gets superseded by the unintentional foul play.

Even more one eyed than your WC predictions Kryton? Why don’t you just adopt the Wrecker defence of anybody who is critical of England is chippy and bitter? Or if you are a WC winner,a dick.

Duck man I reference my own posts if you read what I said.

See wrecker above, there’s no more to be said. But I think you’ll find I too have criticised England and England’s players, despite being a fan.

Superb! So that is now an England pen? 😀

England are failing at 9/10. Ford and Youngs are struggling. The defensive pattern is prone to the inside line (as Ireland found in the 2nd half) and the forwards are not mobile enough. When the 2nd rows are quicker than the flankers, there is something wrong.

Also am surprised that Ireland got away with getting done in as many scrums inside their own 22 as they did in the first half

First half, I think Ireland were overplaying slightly, without tying in the defence first, and repeatedly got caught behind the gain line. Billy & Watson were immense, and I think Ireland would have felt lucky to be within 3 at halftime.

I was disappointed with Ireland’s kicking game – the chase was never quite close enough to put pressure on.

Overall an enjoyable game. England need to cut out the yellow cards.

Down to 14 twice in the 2nd half definitely didn’t help!!

Plenty of penalty turnovers though Idlejon. If there is an attempt at the ball, it normally gets blown. There has always been that second or so before the posting of the ball permitted but lying on the deck cuddling the bloody thing whilst the opposition try to kick it away is ridiculous. All he had to do was let go.

Well I for one want to see the back of Ben Youngs – he’s plainly shit and Ford – he is way out of his depth.

Just had a look on the planet rugby forum page. Holy crap that place makes this thread look like a church meeting

Kind of sums a lot up….

Were they playing rugby out there or bridge?

It’s the players fault not the refs when you get lots of penalties but it’s a shame when the whistle dominates the game. The championship will probably hinge on a ref’s “guess” at scrum or ruck.

Nonsense,the Times gave him 7/10 for the purpose and intent in his game. Young’s got the same and had a good game and played with “boldness”

Despite what he said, I doubt very much that Eddie was happy with that performance. A huge amount of domination in the first half but no cutting edge to ring off chances. We should have been out of sight by half time. The discipline was terrible; so many needless penalties in attaching positions. Haskell was don’t pretty well defensively until his late and high hit on Murray which was just dull. He and Robshaw were so bloody slow. Hopefully one or both will be changed for the next match.

Youngs was utter shite too – his passing is awful. There were so many balls thrown at head or foot height. Ford remained suspect and Farrell continues to prove that he isn’t a 12. Billy was immense again and is probably the stand out player this tournament. Watson looked spritely and Itoje gave a good account of himself. Harltley shops have been subbed earlier because he was nailed and started to miss tackles. Ireland seemed to play too too much rugby in the wrong parts of the pitch.

I think the Brown incident was accidental, but I guess with green glass on it was a red! He is a spikey, aggressive player but I don’t think he’d do something like that on purpose. I know a lot of people don’t like him but I don’t think he in the same camp as Callum Clark when it comes to deliberately hurting people.

I still think the championship is Wales to loose. It’s all of the talk about the next match being the decider, they have the experience to deal with the pressure.

Without the Tongan england forwards didn’t do much, if he gets hurt what would the plan be?

And what do Wales do if they’re local born and bred 8 is injured? It’s not as though we’re the only ones who use the rules. I’d suggest the likes of Scotland are relying more on the likes of Nel.

Oooh touchy 😆

We would struggle but more than one of our forwards contributed, now answer the question 😉