How does that compare

Only got out on it 3 times before a rather eventful Boxing Day ride when I came of big time and broke 5 ribs and damaged lung , I liked the grapil it rode well . The flyer feels a bit heavier but i don’t mind as long as it’s better built , bit harder up hill but felt fast downhill , maybe that’s why I crashed 😉

[/quote]On the plus side it must be a bike that goads you on!

It is a rather fast bike ! ( downhill)

But even the most expensive Cotic Rocket – now built in the UK – is cheaper than that Kili frame.

WTF are they thinking?

Yeah afraid so.
I got a Yeti ASR5 and very happy with it. Shame about the grapil as I loved it, and it had a lot going for it, the geometry and suspension feel was ace. Was well thought out for Uk riding – good mud clearance, tough finish, etc. The geo and fit were spot on, just a shame it folded like butter.

I really hope Genesis dont give up on Mtbs as I really like the brand and don’t see Saracen in the same light. Saracen seem to be targeting a younger market with their branding etc. There is definitely a place for Genesis making well thought out quirky bikes, in a similar vein to Cotic and I hope next year they expand their range again. I think Saracen need a reality check on their pricing too.

Got one of the Ti frames last year following the PSA.

Built it up with Reba RLTs, a few upgrades on the standard spec here and there, and more white for a smidge under £1,300.
Love it!

Also got a “Sarcin”.
An early noughties Blitz which I’m rebuilding.
Happy memories, even if it does weigh more than y0 mumma!!