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2011 Orange Five SE £4,400 !!!!
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HorseFree MemberPosted 13 years ago
Doesn’t this sound a tad excessive? I know it’s XTR and all that but that’s a shed load of cash for a bike with a pretty cheap (in the big scale of things) frame.
speaker2animalsFull MemberPosted 13 years agoIsn’t this a UK fabricated frame? So probably not that cheap.
If you don’t want one. don’t buy one.
HorseFree MemberPosted 13 years agoThe frame is £1400. I think 3k for the rest of it is a lot. And yes, I do want one but I’m not paying that. Will put myself and my Alpine 160 on a diet!
NorthwindFull MemberPosted 13 years ago2011 XTR isn’t cheap… Not what I’d choose though even if money allowed, why is 30 speed good for a bike like a Five? I gather they don’t deal that well with doubles because of the poor swingarm clearance but still. You’d want better than 819s with that as well, again seems like a poor choice for a Five.
I guess people who want one will buy one but it doesn’t make that much sense to me.
ScottCheggFree MemberPosted 13 years agoWhat’s wrong with 819’s? Great rims, but not as fashionable as Stans. I think it’s the best choice for that sort of bike.
Not everyone wants a double and bash set up either; triples are more trail. Nice bike, nice spec.I don’t recall any threads on here when the top Trek or Cannondale prices were announced, and they need deeper pockets than the Five SE. But there will always be the anti-Orange brigade.
bolFull MemberPosted 13 years agoI appreciate that this thread is about price, not aesthetics, bit I can’t think of a weirder combination than the industrial folded metal chic of the 5, and the pretty pretty bling of 2011 XTR. Odd.
igmFull MemberPosted 13 years agoAdd a Maxle rear end and a custom paint colour for the full effect
j_meFree MemberPosted 13 years agoI Thought they would have marketed a HammerSchmidt version for 2011.
DaveyBoyWonderFree MemberPosted 13 years agoInsert one of STW’s template replies:
If you don’t want one. don’t buy one.
bravohotel9erFree MemberPosted 13 years agoI actually have four of these.
One in use, one in repairs, one being built up ready for deployment and a fourth held back in reserve.
It’s all proving prohibitively expensive though, so I’m going to get a fleet of nuclear submarines instead.
HorseFree MemberPosted 13 years agoScottchegg, I currently ride an Alpine 160 and a p7, I’ve owned a Patriot, a Five and an Evo2, if that counts as being in the anti-orange brigade then yes, I’m in.
ianpinderFree MemberPosted 13 years agoThey will still sell all that they make, therefore they have got the pricing right. If you can’t afford it buy something else.
NorthwindFull MemberPosted 13 years ago“ScottChegg – Member
What’s wrong with 819’s? Great rims, but not as fashionable as Stans. I think it’s the best choice for that sort of bike.
Not everyone wants a double and bash set up either; triples are more trail. Nice bike, nice spec. “What’s wrong with 819s mainly is they won’t stand up to the punishment a 5 is capable of, and they’re a fair bit too heavy for their moderate strength. I’m happy enough with them on my rigid but are they really what you’d choose for a £4500 big hitting trailbike? Really? Stans Flows would be stronger, they can support bigger tyres, and they’re lighter to boot. For instance. Arch too.
I’d be happy enough with 819s on a cheaper build but it’s a very stingy choice on such an otherwise top end bike. I’d sooner have XT and better wheels meself.
The triple is just an odd choice IMO for the type of bike- “triples are more trail” doesn’t stand up at all in my eyes, 22-36 is a superb trailbike setup and gives precious little away for its benefits… But I don’t think there can be much argument about the wheels. If you’re going to spend big money on a bike why would you stint on those? I guess Orange’s market research suggests people aren’t bothered though considering how many of their bikes come with relatively low end rim choices.
Think it’s quite funny to see comments about the Orange h8erz, that to me’s a spec that doesn’t do the Five justice- it’s bling but it’s not smart. You could build a £5000 Five that’d be stunning, that’s just not it.
retro83Free MemberPosted 13 years agoWhat’s wrong with 819s mainly is they won’t stand up to the punishment a 5 is capable of, and they’re a fair bit too heavy for their moderate strength. I’m happy enough with them on my rigid but are they really what you’d choose for a £4500 big hitting trailbike? Really? Stans Flows would be stronger, they can support bigger tyres, and they’re lighter to boot.
Are people destroying 819s then? Mine have stayed true and dent free for 2 years, and I’ve treated them pretty badly (in addition I am quite fat)
Also, these are the weights from their websites:
Stans ZTR Flow rims = 470 g
Mavic 819 = 450 gSeem pretty similar, could be inaccurate tho
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded By Zulus – Member
Overpriced rubbish.
ermm rubbish??? bike of the year 2008,2009,2010?
Ive ridden most competitors out there and they dont compare. The five is an awsome machine, the geometry is spot on and you sit in rather than on the bike. Its simple to maintain and its tough.
Overpriced- Compared to far eastern built bikes it looks pricey. However if us Brits don’t support UK firms then we will soon be in a bigger mess than we are already in. The guys at orange are down the road, run on british trails and live and breathe UK mountain biking. That is worth keeping hold of. We should be proud.
Surrounded by zulus sounds like a daily mail reader…
SurroundedByZulusFree MemberPosted 13 years agoFiat 500 won car of the year in 2008, Vauxhall Insignia won it in 2009, VW Polo won it this year. You’re not seriously trying to tell me that winning the “anything” of the year is worth the paper it’s written on are you?
There are far far better bikes out there for the money? How much would a Carbon Mojo be with that spec for example?
njee20Free MemberPosted 13 years agoS-Works Epic is £2500 for a frame, and £6300 for the whole bike, so £3800 for the bits. £4400 for a full XTR bike is good value these days!
radoggairFree MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded By Zulus – Member
Fiat 500 won car of the year in 2008, Vauxhall Insignia won it in 2009, VW Polo won it this year. You’re not seriously trying to tell me that winning the “anything” of the year is worth the paper it’s written on are you?he has a point you know.
jimithenomadFree MemberPosted 13 years agoi am a bit dissapointed by this, i have been watching the orange site waiting for details which were due oct , then as october arrived the due date was put back to jan . This i believe is due to xtr shortages. I was hoping that the price would not increase that much over last years as, when my tax rebate eventually arrives i was hoping to get one of these. Looks like i will be down speccing or, getting something else. was last years model not £3700? that is quite a price hike for the new one dont you think?
cooganFree MemberPosted 13 years agoyou sit in rather than on the bike
Is this this years bullsh*t quote for bikes? I’m still using ‘square edge hits’, just want to know so I can keep up…
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agoHave you ridden the five? I’m sure you have or you wouldnt be commenting. Its a subjective thing i know……..
Its expensive because its UK built in an industrial unit in Calderdale Yorkshire.
25 years ago we built our own TVs VCRs etc and they were so expensive it cost a months wages to get them. Then along came the far east and built em for peanuts (using slave labour). Now their economies are booming and the UK is up the creek without a paddle.
I will pay for overpiced rubbish in this country whilst i still can 😆
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agocoogan – Member
you sit in rather than on the bike
Is this this years bullsh*t quote for bikes? I’m still using ‘square edge hits’, just want to know so I can keep up…
Yep possibly. It was a top downhillers remark to me (he rides a five as his trail bike) and i had to agree with him. It was not meant as a literal thing but the feeling that the geometry gives you.
I will pass on your comment though 😀
soulriderFree MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded by zulus has a point regarding the winning anything..
he may have a point of overpriced he may not
I do wonder where he comes up with the point of rubbish?
jimithenomadFree MemberPosted 13 years agocant see why people would want to knock a great brand with great products, but each to their own. I just feel that the great value of previous generations of orange 5 s is probably becoming a thing of the past. Will still be tempted to break the bank when they arrive as i think they ride great, and i have tried / demo ridden a few!
JunkyardFree MemberPosted 13 years agogot one but at that price I would buy an expensive frame and sepc up with s/h parts personally.
Good bike for sure but that is a lot for it IMHO
Dont trust me though I use x0 and have riser bars with bar ends so I know nothing
I know what you mean about sitting in it though 8)Nice trolling smee
SurroundedByZulusFree MemberPosted 13 years ago£4400 for a bike. You could get a good car for that. Or two very very good mountain bikes, maybe three. No bike is worth £4400, so it is overpriced. So if it is overpriced then it is rubbish as a £4400 bike.
NorthwindFull MemberPosted 13 years ago“retro83 – Member
Also, these are the weights from their websites:
Stans ZTR Flow rims = 470 g
Mavic 819 = 450 gSeem pretty similar, could be inaccurate tho”
Mavic’s claimed weights for the tubeless rims are completely dishonest- they include the rim but not the inserts for the nipples which you need to build the wheel. Real ready-to-build weight is 507g.
It’s not that 819s are weak- I get on fine with mine- they’re just weak for their fairly hefty weight. And it’s not like it’s a cheap rim either so it’s not penny pinching, it’s just bad speccing IMO. Fine for a less capable bike but it’s a Five after all, the frame can write cheques those wheels won’t be able to cash and that’s a shame.
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded By Zulus – Member
£4400 for a bike. You could get a good car for that. Or two very very good mountain bikes, maybe three. No bike is worth £4400, so it is overpriced. So if it is overpriced then it is rubbish as a £4400 bike.
Well you cannot argue with that logic…. 😈
JunkyardFree MemberPosted 13 years agoMy only issue is that £4400 for a
bikecar You could get a goodcarbike for that. Ortwo very very good mountain bikes, maybe three.one estate car and a decent bike for that. Nobikecar is worth £4400, so it is overpriced.jimithenomadFree MemberPosted 13 years agoat the risk of sounding like a trendsetter, i have been saying about sitting in rather than on for years, and used to try to get this across to a riding mate, when i purchased my nomad that ” compared to the ellsworth , i feel like i am sat inside the cockpit of the bike rather than perched on top of the bike like the ellsworth.” We all know about the differences in geometery and bottom bracket heights and wheel base lengths and their effects, and for me making this comparison between the two bikes mentioned seemed easy to feel the difference. the orange 5 gives you the same inside the bike feel. IMHO, this can help you become a more confident rider and that is no bad thing , surely?
brFree MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded By Zulus – or is it that you just can’t afford one?
IME – Anything running Fox RLC/XTR/Hope/Thompson level kit will be expensive, irrelevent of the frame cost
Tubeset Monocoque/6061-T6 OS Reynolds Custom Butted Aluminium Tube
Rear Shock Fox Float RP23 XV
Swing Arm QR Axle
Forks Fox 32 Float RLC Fit2 140mm QR15 TS
F Mech Shimano XTR
R Mech Shimano XTR Shadow 10 sp
Shifters Shimano XTR R Fire +
Chainset Shimano XTR (3 x 10sp)
Cassette Shimano XTR CSM980 -10
Brakes Hope Race X2 Pro 160/160
Hubs Hope Pro 2
Rims Mavic XM819 UST
Spokes DT Swiss Competition
Tyres Continental Mountain King 2.2 UST
Headset Hope ZS Tapered
Stem Thomson X4
S Post Thomson Elite
Saddle Fizik Gobi XM
H Bars Easton Haven Carbon Low
Pedals Flat
B Bracket Shimano SM51 Hollow Tech 2I had an 06 S-Works Enduro, that cost circa £3600 four years ago, and here’s something equivilently equipped, but dearer, from a mail-order company that you can’t even try beforehand:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=55724
ivantateFree MemberPosted 13 years agoDoes this make the S good value?
Not my choice of specs either but it is pitching towards the XC/Trail end of the market which I think is where most people with £4.5k to spend would like to be riding.
I have a mate riding a Ransom with 819s and a triple, it was about £4k 3 years ago, he is in Germany though. (perma 80’s country)If I had a vast sum of money it would be spent on a Five. (make that another Five)
JunkyardFree MemberPosted 13 years agothis can help you become a more confident rider and that is no bad thing
faster crashing hurts more 😳
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agojimithenomad – Member
at the risk of sounding like a trendsetter, i have been saying about sitting in rather than on for years, and used to try to get this across to a riding mate, when i purchased my nomad that ” compared to the ellsworth , i feel like i am sat inside the cockpit of the bike rather than perched on top of the bike like the ellsworth.” We all know about the differences in geometery and bottom bracket heights and wheel base lengths and their effects, and for me making this comparison between the two bikes mentioned seemed easy to feel the difference. the orange 5 gives you the same inside the bike feel. IMHO, this can help you become a more confident rider and that is no bad thing , surely?
Put for more eloquently than me +1
Another example is the trek ex9.9. It is a great bike in all respects but you sit on it, not in it (like the ellsworth).
SurroundedByZulusFree MemberPosted 13 years agob r – i could afford one. It’s just that I dont feel the need to spunk way over the odds on a bike to gain enjoyment out of it.
retro83Free MemberPosted 13 years agoNorthwind – Member
Mavic’s claimed weights for the tubeless rims are completely dishonest- they include the rim but not the inserts for the nipples which you need to build the wheel. Real ready-to-build weight is 507g.Cheeky buggers!
merc350Free MemberPosted 13 years agoSurrounded By Zulus – Member
b r – i could afford one. It’s just that I dont feel the need to spunk way over the odds on a bike to gain enjoyment out of it.
i can understand your point. If thats the case buy the frame and spec up overtime. Or buy the S.
However calling it rubbish is just plain wrong. Have you owned/ demoed the bike? I fear not…. ❓
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