Jeepers, nearly £500m 
I can think of better ways to spend the money personally (or just not spend it) especially as they admit the data will be out of date in a couple of years. 
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2011 Census....... how much???
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but it's crucial for the govt to record the number of Jedi still in existence.
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Also for keeping a couple of Civil Servants in work for a week or two..
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Most of the £500m is paying the various temporary staff. So, it's really money coming back into the economy.
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What he said.
60million people, so say 30million hoseholds/surveys.
Say it takes 10min to upload each survey @ £45/hour (inc office rent, suppourt staff, ICT etc) thats ~ £10 a survay so £300million. Add on 2 lots of postage (£3*30,000,000=£9million), printing (30million?), advertising (10's of millions isn't unfeasible with a few primetime slots?) and 500million suddenly doesn't go very far.
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Most of the £500m is paying the various temporary staff. So, it's really money coming back into the economy.
good point.... hadn't thought of that
Say it takes 10min to upload each survey
Doubtfull really. The survey forms will mostly be scanned and each one will be read within 1 or 2 seconds depending on the question format.
But overall you're right..... I guess £500m doesn't go too far nowadays!Posted 1 year ago # -
I haven't appeared on a census since 1981
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Most of the £500m is paying the various temporary staff. So, it's really money coming back into the economy.
Location: throughout Scotland
£880 (part-time, 80 hours total)
18 April 2011 to 30 June 2011was tempted for the slush fund, but then I would have to deal with joe public........
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I did it last year (as part of the pilot scheme). Wasn't the hardest work I've ever done, but did involve going around the doors and gently "persuading" people they should fill it in. Of course, the pilot wasn't legally binding the same way, so we didn't have a legislative stick to beat them with.
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Equates to 96p per person per year I understand.
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Actually, in true New labour/Tory (same difference) style they've outsourced it to a large American arms manufacturer
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2008/0828_lmuk-2011-census.html
I know if i was doing a population census then my first port of call would be a company that made pretty damn good surface-to-air missiles
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It's worth every penny.
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Actually, in true Tory style they've outsourced it to a large American arms manufacturer
Also under the American Patriot Act are apparently obliged to share any information they possess with the US government. So watch what you say!
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binners - Member
Actually, in true Tory style they've outsourced it to a large American arms manufacturerhttp://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2008/0828_lmuk-2011-census.html
In true Labour style, that decision was made during the previous parliament.He shoots.
He misses.
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I'm predicting it'll be the next big 'website launch which can't cope with the demand'
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Story of my life Druid, I'm afraid
They're all the same anyway. As the Lib Dems are now going out of their way to prove
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sharkbait - Member
Doubtfull really. The survey forms will mostly be scanned and each one will be read within 1 or 2 seconds depending on the question format.
It can also be completed online, but yes - the scanning is pretty quick.
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Seriously? Then again my employers is American so they probably already know more about me.
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grumm - Member
Actually, in true Tory style they've outsourced it to a large American arms manufacturer
Also under the American Patriot Act are apparently obliged to share any information they possess with the US government. So watch what you say!
Drivel... Lockheed Martin are providing the computer system not collecting the data - none of the data goes anywhere near them... So all the information you give will be
safein the hands of your own government...Posted 1 year ago # -
In true Labour style, that decision was made during the previous parliament.
He shoots.He misses.
How long can the Tories go before they (and their supporters) have to stop blaming Labour for absolutely everything they do and start taking some **** responsibility for their own actions? Just wondering.
If it's their policy it's: 'oh well we had to do this, 'cos of Labour messing everything up'
If it's not their policy: it's 'oh well this was Labour's idea that we had to carry on with'Posted 1 year ago # -
grumm - Member
Related to this??If it's their policy it's: 'oh well we had to do this, 'cos of Labour messing everything up'
If it's not their policy: it's 'oh well this was Labour's idea that we had to carry on with'
A contract was put in place 3 years ago, during which time systems and procedures have been developed. Do you really think that an incoming government could reverse that, at zero cost, and still meet the 2011 census date?
I guess I should really butt out of this thread as I actually know something about this and it'll spoil all the hysteria and misinformation if I'm here to correct it
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grumm - Member
How long can the Tories go before they (and their supporters) have to stop blaming Labour for absolutely everything they do and start taking some **** responsibility for their own actions? Just wondering.
Hmm, how long before the Labour supporters stop blaming Thatcher? Just asking.Posted 1 year ago # -
Related to this??
Not particularly but maybe a little. The Tories cancelled the EMA and broke existing contracts with Capita - meaning they have to pay massive penalties negating almost all of the supposed savings. So they don't always stick with existing Labour arrangements.
Hmm, how long before the Labour supporters stop blaming Thatcher? Just asking.
Blaming Thatcher for what? I certainly blame her for being a massive ****. I also blame the Labour party for largely following her policies.
druidh - because you had a temp job going round knocking on doors you are now an expert on the census?
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grumm - I did say "I actually know something about this". And I didn't mention any other role I might have had....
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grumm - Member
Blaming Thatcher for what? I certainly blame her for being a massive ****.
Charming. Statements like that don't exactly help your credibility.
I also blame the Labour party for largely following her policies.
Ah, so during 13 years in government there was nothing Labour could do because it was Thatchers policies that brought the nation to the brink of bankruptcy?And you're asking when the Tories (sorry, coalition) will take responsibility after less than a year in Government? Sorry but that smacks of hypocrisy, or are you being deliberately ironic?
[Sorry for potentially derailing the thread OP, not my intention]
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druidh - because you had a temp job going round knocking on doors you are now an expert on the census?
Since when did a lack of knowledge get in the way of people posting teh factz on here?
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ebygomm - Member
I'm sure everyone will be pleased to know that after spending vast sums of money creating a master address database it will be wiped after census day
Nice find, no doubt there'll be a backup taken and kept somewhere safe though, HMRC for example?
However "...there are currently no plans to make the census address register publicly available as there are significant commercial, licensing and confidentiality obstacles that would have to be overcome".
.... waits for Daily Mail front page headline - "Census database kept on memory stick and left on train, found by member of advertising agency"Posted 1 year ago # -
I blame Cromwell...
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Charming.
Well you know, cosying up to people like Pinochet, supporting apartheid - I could go on, pretty well qualifies someone as a **** in my book.
Ah, so during 13 years in government there was nothing Labour could do because it was Thatchers policies that brought the nation to the brink of bankruptcy?
No, I just said I blamed the Labour party.
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seeing as cameroon and co were happy to cancel plenty of other labour projects im sure they could cancel this one if they wanted to
it surely wouldnt lead to the kind of -ve headlines the navy cancellations have had etcPosted 1 year ago # -
yes, they could cancel it, except that would be daft - we do need a census.
the info is useful, for example:
how many people live in area X? - is this number increasing or declining? do they need a bigger / smaller water treatment plant? / electricity sub-station? / school?
demographics and that, etc.
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