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  • jivehoneyjive
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    Do your own research

    😀

    CaptainFlashheart
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    You see, it’s funny when someone else says it. Not when you do.

    Makes you think, doesn’t it?

    nemesis
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    You’re not discussing. You’re telling us your theory and then telling us we’re stupid/ignorant/naive if we disagree.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Nothing I say seems that funny to you, but hey ho, them’s the breaks…

    nemesis
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    I’ve worked it out. Jhj is a transdimensional lizard who lives off energy from deja vu. This thread had provided him with sustenance for years.

    jivehoneyjive
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    I am discussing… who is the one who keeps this thread alive by bringing links for discussion?

    You can draw your own conclusions… I’m not suggesting anyone is stupid/ignorant/naive, I’ve provided a wealth of information~ if you choose to follow the links, I’ll be happy to answer any questions

    nemesis
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    because it’s easier for you to dismiss that some properly horrific stuff goes on in the world

    jivehoneyjive
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    Perhaps that is an inherent flaw in human nature~ when we are challenged by someone, we see it as hostile…

    you only have to look at the past couple of pages to see the constant onslaught I endure, so excuse me if my passion is evident.

    Suffice to say, I don’t intend to mislead, and in many respects, it is frustrating, because I’d love to be able to convey every last detail, but it’s a vast subject with many avenues.

    If you truly have an interest in the subject, read this link, as it gives some insight into what we’re dealing with.

    http://isgp.nl/2009_11_In_brief_beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_US_CIA

    Junkyard
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    I am discussing… who is the one who keeps this thread alive by bringing links for discussion?

    You are confusing repeating the same thing over and over again and refusing to listen to any doubts, answer any questions or critically think about things and a “discussion”. It is another stellar indication of your ability to cogently and realistically process information and reach valid conclusions.

    As for happy to discuss your are not you dodge any question put to you, which is basically every question, that threatens your distorted views.

    jivehoneyjive
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    I’m glad to hear you’re in the mood for discussing…

    What do you think about the practice of intelligence services procuring and training vulnerable children to be prostituted by influential people in front of hidden cameras?

    ernie_lynch
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    I’m glad to hear you’re in the mood for discussing…

    Yeah but you don’t want to discuss the thread’s subject matter, ie, the 1,400 children who were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham.

    Basically because it doesn’t fit in with your theory of an establishment paedophile ring led by the Queen which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

    You find it impossible to link British-Pakistani paedophile rings with the establishment so you’ve changed the subject.

    Child sex abuse crimes and the coverups and the ignoring of those crimes is/was widespread in society, tragically infecting every social class and community within, all the more so if society considers the victims to be “worthless”, the Rotherham scandal was not about vital control structures of the political and religious elite.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Nice touch of derailing there ernie… you really should read the whole thread:

    My previous answers have already addressed how this is a bigger issue than simply the Pakistani Abusers, from the local police and council, to the Home Office, the issue was willfully ignored and files went missing.

    Junkyard
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    What do you think about the practice of intelligence services procuring and training vulnerable children to be prostituted by influential people in front of hidden cameras?

    It had nothing to do with what happened in Rotherham.

    you?

    jivehoneyjive
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    Well, being as the Home Office is in charge of MI5 and the Home Office took no action on Rotherham in 2003, it could of course be argued that they do have a common factor.

    Whether or not those two elements are related is far from clear, but for the sake of discussion…

    ernie_lynch
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    Well, being as the Home Office is in charge of MI5 and the Home Office took no action on Rotherham in 2003, it could of course be argued that they do have a common factor.

    FFS you are really clutching at straws to suggest that the British-Pakistani paedophile rings in Rotherham were hand in glove with MI5.

    CBA anymore.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Cool, you seemed a bit fixated on the Queen anyway to be honest…

    Junkyard
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    Yes if one were detached from reality one could want to discuss that
    JHJ earlier

    Junkyard
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    Bit slow there and ernie really is the fastest milkman

    JHJ I wish you were as funny as you think you are
    you just look petty to me.

    jivehoneyjive
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    You’re just sore because of where I clutched em from…

    Junkyard
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    Now I wish you were even vaguely amusing

    kimbers
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    Janner fails to turn up at court

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33923041

    Ill bet if they let him claim back his travel costs he’d have shown up

    jivehoneyjive
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    Well well… Yesterday the Catholic church in Scotland apologized to survivors of abuse:

    Catholic Church in Scotland must support and apologise to abuse survivors, says review that followed Cardinal Keith O’Brien scandal

    Cardinal Keith O Brien… mentioned him 5 months ago on page 13

    Hmm, where have I heard that name before?

    Jimmy Savile and the Cardinal

    Britain’s most senior Catholic cleric wasn’t he?

    Based on a true story, this trailer seems to suggest the Catholic Church is the same the world over:

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg5zSVxx9JM[/video]

    Still find it a bit odd that the Keeper of Holyroodhouse is the nephew of the head of the child abuse inquiry (who is taking charge of the branch of the inquiry looking into the role of prominent figures and the intelligence services):

    A scene from Holyroodhouse:

    jivehoneyjive
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    You couldn’t make it up…

    The original head of the Child Abuse Inquiry, Baroness Butler-Sloss hid claims of bishop’s sex abuse (quite aside from her Brother’s involvement with many of those now facing allegations, which led her to step down)

    The Church of England Bishop in question, Peter Ball admitted to sexually abusing young men

    There are a few interesting (and worrying) aspects to this case:

    On Tuesday (yesterday), the Crown Prosecution Service allowed two charges of indecently assaulting two boys in their early teens to lie on file. The deal, hammered out in secret with CPS lawyers, means Ball will not face trial on perhaps the most serious alleged offences, which involved boys aged 13 and 15.

    It can now be revealed how prosecutors and the police – with the knowledge of the then archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey – allowed Ball to escape criminal charges when allegations against him first arose 22 years ago.

    One of the two complainants whose case will not be taken to trial, Phil Johnson, expressed anger at the deal. “Throughout the two decades since the original disclosures, none of the allegations against Peter Ball have been examined in court. None of the evidence has been tested or fully examined. At every turn there have been deals and cover-ups.

    “The truth has been suppressed and Ball?s offending behaviour and involvement with other abusers … has been minimised.”

    When claims against Ball were made in 1993, conversations were held between police, prosecutors and the church before it was decided to caution the bishop rather than charge him.

    Ball resigned in 1993 and moved to Manor Lodge in the Somerset village of Aller. The wisteria-clad property is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, the private estate headed by Prince Charles.

    At the time, Ball said: “[Charles] has been wonderfully kind and allowed me to have a duchy house.

    jambalaya
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    jive did you see the comment by the Met police at the weekend, there is no a shred of evidence that three boys where murdered at Sop,his Square and they have major concerns about the credibility of a key witness. This whole campaign looks even more like an “establishment” slur campaign, that anti-Semitic blog gives the game away too.

    I see you are posting more photos perhaps hoping to divert attention from the sentencing of an Asian gang convicted of grooming and abusing vulnerable young white girls. This thread is titled with refrence to Rotherham and what went on there is directly linked to this weeks sentencing than to photos of the Pope or the Queen or anyone else you’ve attempted to slime

    jivehoneyjive
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    I daresay you’re referring to this daily mail piece:

    VIP child abuse inquiry is staring to unravel: ‘Grave doubts’ emerge over key witness’s claim that he saw boys murdered

    The Met Police continue to investigate
    as they find the witness credible and despite your claims, they have made no comment questioning the credibility or validity of the investigation.

    As regards establishment slurs, you appear to have used the right words in the wrong context…

    This criticism of the investigation has arisen as a result of Harvey Proctor’s press conference

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm0abUBV2FA[/video]

    Interesting to note that Harvey Proctor has now left the country and will not voluntarily undergo any further questioning

    What is the Anti-Semitic blog you refer to? (and how does it relate to the investigation?)

    Please provide further information of what you’re referring to regarding ‘this week’s sentencing’…

    ernie_lynch
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    I’m confused JHJ, your last post contained no pictures at all. Can you post a few pictures to help me to understand who is guilty of paedophilia?

    jivehoneyjive
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    Sorry ernie, I’d always assumed you could read…

    ernie_lynch
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    So who have you been posting pictures for then?

    Besides, you know that a picture is worth a thousand words.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Everybody~ I’m a caring sharing guy like that…

    kimbers
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    These ***** didn’t seem to be VIPs
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235

    ninfan
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    And in other news, look who’s back in the headlines:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/10/jonathan-king-among-three-men-arrested-over-sex-abuse-allegations

    All together now:

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbioh7ylEI[/video]

    ernie_lynch
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    kimbers – Member

    These ***** didn’t seem to be VIPs

    And let’s not beat about the the bush or get all PC ……. they all appear to be from the white British community.

    Just saying like………I’m sure if they weren’t it would be pointed out.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Today the IPCC has revealed there are now an extra 13 child abuse corruption enquiries

    The investigations involve allegations that:

    Evidence relating to abuse at a youth club in the 1980s and 1990s, allegedly involving politicians and council officers, went missing from a London police station

    An MP was charged with specimen child sex offences and not “more numerous or serious offences”

    Paperwork and evidence relating to child sex offences involving an MP disappeared and the MP was released without charge

    Special Branch in the 1970s interfered in an investigation that would have revealed an MP to be involved in child sex offences

    An investigation into child sex abuse in central London in the 1980s was halted when it became apparent an MP was involved

    An officer serving with the Met Police was involved in a paedophile ring in north London and that evidence was covered up by Special Branch

    This is on top of IPCC enquiries announced in March:

    PCC to investigate allegations of historic corruption relating to child sexual abuse in the Metropolitan Police

    1) Allegation of a potential cover up around failures to properly investigate child sex abuse offences in South London and further information about criminal allegations against a politician being dropped.

    2) Allegation that an investigation involving a proactive operation targeting young men in Dolphin Square, was stopped because officers were too near prominent people.

    3) Allegation that a document was found at an address of a paedophile that originated from the Houses of Parliament listing a number of highly prominent individuals (MPs and senior police officers) as being involved in a paedophile ring and no further action was taken.

    4) Allegation that an account provided by an abuse victim had been altered to omit the name of a senior politician.

    5) Allegation that an investigation into a paedophile ring, in which a number of people were convicted, did not take action in relation to other more prominent individuals

    6) Allegations that a politician had spoken with a senior MPS officer and demanded no action was taken regarding a paedophile ring and boys being procured and supplied to prominent persons in Westminster in the 1970s.

    7) Allegation that in the late 1970s a surveillance operation that gathered intelligence on a politician being involved in paedophile activities was closed down by a senior MPS officer.

    8 ) Allegation that a dossier of allegations against senior figures and politicians involved in child abuse were taken by Special Branch officers.

    9) Allegations that a surveillance operation of a child abuse ring was subsequently shut down due to high profile people being involved.

    10) Allegations of child sex abuse against a senior politician and a subsequent cover-up of his crimes.

    11) Allegations that during a sexual abuse investigation a senior officer instructed the investigation be halted and that that order had come from ‘up high’ in the MPS.

    12) Allegation of a conspiracy within the MPS to prevent the prosecution of a politician suspected of offences.

    13) Allegations against a former senior MPS officer regarding child sex abuse and that further members of the establishment including judges were involved. It is claimed that no further action was taken.

    14) Allegation that police officers sexually abused a boy and carried out surveillance on him. Further allegations of financial corruption in a London borough police force.

    and…

    The three new referrals to the IPCC are:

    An allegation that a child abuse investigation in central London gathered evidence against MPs, judges, media entertainers, police, actors, clergy and others. The file was submitted to start proceedings against those identified and, it is alleged, two months later an officer was called in by a senior Met officer and told to drop the case

    Two allegations about police actions during a child abuse investigation in the 1980s. Further details of these have not been given

    The IPCC is also assessing a further six referrals it has received from the Met Police relating to “similar matters”.

    As for this absolute almost beyond comprehension filth:

    These ***** didn’t seem to be VIPs
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235

    That is the kind of thing that has made me so dedicated to trying to ensure adequate investigation into Jersey

    VILE pictures of babies being raped were taken for a child porn ring at the Jersey kids’ home of horror, police feared last night.

    Experts think the home is the source of many of the network’s 9,000 sick pictures, discovered in an infamous haul in Holland in the Nineties.It was dubbed the Zandvoort stash, after the town where it was found- but the studio was never uncovered.

    Experts are now 90 per cent certain it was the baby unit at Haut de la Garenne’s Aviemore wing. Some of the victims in the black and white pictures were just 18 months old.

    Bearing in mind of course that both Jimmy Savile and Edward Heath have been linked to Haut de la Garenne.

    It’s horrific, stomach churning and hard to believe, but if there is even the slightest possibility it’s true, I think we all deserve to know.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Further to concerns raised by Stoatsbrother, in a thread I started recently, I promised to update this thread:

    Lot of truth in what you have said – but Tom Watson etc… you seem to have been rather quiet on that topic of late

    Tell you what, I’ll update the Rotherham thread soon…

    In the meantime, bear in mind that there have been multiple allegations of child abuse against Leon Brittan, which the police continue to investigate.

    That the media chose to focus on the rape case against him (which was pursued in an abnormal manner, by a Police Officer who happens to be a close friend of one of the main journalists fuelling the fire), whilst disregarding the continuing investigation into child abuse is very worrying.

    Furthermore, that the Panorama program delved into the troubled past’s of (alleged) survivors of abuse, yet took Harvey Proctor on his word, with no disclosure of his past speaks volumes.

    I’ll provide links to prove my claims when I update the Rotherham thread.

    Tom Watson came under a lot of flack recently, for his role in attempting to expose the links between organized paedophile networks, such as the Paedophile Information Exchange and those in the corridors of power.

    By contrast, there’s been minimal coverage of Charles Napier and Richard Alston, two key players in the organized network of the Paedophile Information Exchange Charged as a result of the intelligence Tom 1st mentioned in PMQs in 2012

    The Leon Brittan case led to a special meeting of the Home Affairs Select Committee on 21st October regarding investigations into Lord Brittan, home secretary at the time many of the allegations were 1st raised (and many police investigations were shut down).

    In the event, the HASC meeting focused solely on one case, involving the alleged rape of a 19 year old girl by Leon Brittan. Keith Vaz steered away from further inquiry into ongoing investigations of child abuse by Brittan, involving multiple accusers and victims.

    This recent pressure surrounding the Leon Brittan case began as a result of the BBC Panorama programme focusing on police investigations into VIP child abuse.

    Of course, several areas of the BBC still have much explaining to do, from their initial failure to expose Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall (all of whom mingled with Royalty, earning Honours) to the appointment of Max Clifford as a BBC Children in Need Ambassador

    How much of this will be exposed in the Review by Dame Janet Smith remains to be seen, as it remains on hold.

    also worth noting the terms of reference were changed

    Why were several of the respected journalists who investigated claims surrounding Savile laid off by the BBC?

    Back to Panorama; though some of the points raised by the programme do bear further investigation, there appeared to be a clear bias, as any misdemeanours in the past of abuse survivors or whistleblowers were exposed for all to see, yet the past conduct of the alleged abusers failed to be questioned.

    A clear case of this was Harvey Proctor… known to have lied on multiple occasions in the past, before being charged for spanking under-age boys, his statements went unchallenged.

    Furthermore, he is known to have been involved in a relationship with a Pimp, Terry Allen, who would supply boys for Harvey’s tastes. Allen is credited with saying that Harvey Proctor ‘liked rough trade, the rougher the better.

    Terry Allen has also been identified as Terry Dwyer;

    allegedly one of the key players involved in setting up Elm Guest House as a brothel, with wider links to an international trafficking network

    Why didn’t the Panorama programme highlight Proctor’s past, or investigate these links?

    On top of that, we have a number of accounts (being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission) of police investigations into child abuse being shut down from above… who would have the sway to shut down such investigations, as in the case of Cyril Smith?

    Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith are alleged to have been close associates, an account by Don Hale suggesting when he raised the issue of a dossier compiled by Barbara Castle with Leon Brittan, before being confronted by Cyril Smith and raided by Special Branch (who report to the Home Office, as do the police and MI5)

    A surveillance operation that allegedly unmasked Leon Brittan’s links to child sex abuse was shut down by Metropolitan Police chiefs.
    According to an ex-officer, the former Home Secretary was photographed during a 1986 investigation into rent-boy orgies in buildings in North London.
    But the day before swoops on alleged suspects were due to be carried out, officers on the investigation, called Operation Orchid, were told it had been disbanded.”

    On top of this, both Brittan and Smith are said to have been associates of Keith Harding, a leading member of the Paedophile Information Exchange, who was also linked to Jimmy Savile.

    Keith Harding had a shop in Islington, an area which has been linked to extensive abuse within council run homes, with children trafficked to homes on Jersey, such as Haut De La Garenne, where Edward Heath and once again Jimmy Savile are said to have procured and abused children, some of whom went missing, never to be seen again.

    Islington raises a number of issues, not least is Keith Vaz’s past as solicitor on both Richmond and Islington Councils, around the time children were being procured from council run care homes to be abused. Whether this affects his perspective on matters when questioning remains to be seen… He has still avoided answering questions on his past conduct regarding Lord Janner.

    Tom Watson may’ve also been facing significant pressure from within Labour Party HQ, as in addition to Keith Vaz, several prominent members of the Labour Party hierarchy were also in positions which deserve further scrutiny, from Margaret Hodge and Jack Straw to Jeremy Corbyn himself, who has been Islington’s MP since 1983.

    To close for now, will the Home Affairs Select Committee be probing the reasons the Home Office supervised the redrafting of Fiona Woolf’s letters regarding her relationship with Leon Brittan, especially as official files relating to child abuse mentioning Leon Brittan were found shortly after he died?

    jambalaya
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    Jive the most important update is that a number of people are on trial for the systematic abuse of children in Rotheram.

    The whole Westminster peopdophile ring story has been shown to be nothing less than a total fabrication with key witnesses stating they where put under pressure to name specific famous and influential people. The journalist responsible for many of the stories only has an angle if abuse it involves senior members of “the establishment” hence they co-erced individuals to make those accusations.

    Some time ago as I posted here the Met Police commented there was not a shred of evidence to back up allegations and Panorama laid bare the extent of fabrication and total lack of checks by the journalist and the fact that another key source of allegations was a convicted fraudster and anti-establishment left winger trying IMO to score politcal points.

    Tom Watson has publically and privately apologised to Leon Britains family and his wife.

    It is time the law is changed to give suspects fhe same right of anonyminity as victims. As it stands its far too easy for unscrupulous individuals to smear innocent people. The police and justice system is perfectly capable of investigating allegations without the name lf the accused being in the public domain

    jivehoneyjive
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    Some time ago as I posted here the Met Police commented there was not a shred of evidence to back up allegations

    Interesting… could you provide a source for that?

    jivehoneyjive
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    While we’re waiting, here’s a disturbing development from the Rotherham case:

    A Rotherham police officer who was told of serious child abuse in the town in the 1990s had sex with girls at a house where a victim was living, a court has heard.

    He was also allegedly passing on drugs to one of the seven defendants involved in an alleged Rotherham grooming ring now on trial in Sheffield crown court.

    The central witness in the trial, known as Girl B, told the jury on Friday that she had told police officer Kenneth Dawes about assaults she was allegedly suffering when she was in and out of care homes as a young girl in the early 1990s.

    Asked by prosecutor Michelle Colborne how she had found the officer, the alleged victim, now 36, responded: “He used to come to the houses where we were.”

    Girl B said this included the houses of two sisters whom she used to live with. She added: “He used to have sex with girls. He used to take drugs from people and pass them on to Ash.”

    ernie_lynch
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    jambalaya – Member

    …… trying IMO to score politcal points.

    And yet again jambalaya trashes the irony meter

    jambalaya
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    There never was a Westminster peodophile ring. The police have niw closed down the investigation having found no evidemce at all of such a thing.

    A victim of sexual abuse has heavily crtisied “Nick” who made the allegations suggesting he may take legal action and has asked the police to investigate him for taking his own experiencesof sexual abuse and embellishing them in his Police statements. He also heavily critised the so called “investigative” website @jive was so keen to quote.

    The perpetrators of the abuse in Rotherham have been convicted and jailed. The follow up invetigations and potentail further legal action can now focus on why local police did not take approproate action and why local government appeared to attempt to cover up the scandal. I have my own strongly held views but let’s wait and see.

    slimjim78
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    A fowzand!

    Oosh!

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