There’s only one person taking dim-witted potshots at motorcyclists though, thankfully

I know, Jamie, I know. Sad, really.

oh and at least its taken the media and us plebs eye off the syrian g20 conflict for a few hours.

Are you suggesting some sort of lizard overlord conspiracy on this good day to leak bad news?

a similar accident happened before 40 cars or so cant remember where but coppers did prosecute all drivers for undue care etc etc

too right

We missed a massive pile-up by a few feet one Friday evening driving down the M61 towards Manchester. The Police convoy carrying Dale Cregan from Preston Crown Court back to Strangeways overtook us, helicopter, motorbikes, cars and two prison vans. We sat behind the moving roadblock and as we passed Chorley someone behind us was distracted by a small incident on the hard shoulder… I saw a sudden movement in my mirror, looked and saw the apocalypse happening; cars spinning, shooting up the verge, hubcaps flying, dust, tyre smoke, absolute mayhem. For the next few miles there was only the Cregan convoy, us and two other cars on the M61 Southbound….

Only 2 of these cyclists had any lights on their bike….

It isn’t just car-drivers who behave like tw*ts in the fog..

But bikes dont come equipped with lights and most of us cyclists dont use or need lights until the darker nights start.

I was stationary right next to a multi car pile up in similar circumstances on the opposite carriageway on the M4 near Heston years ago. Its the scariest thing I’ve ever seen/heard/experienced. Very quiet, then a screeh of tyres and a horrible bang, then silence again for a few moments and then it happens all over again. What made it worse was quite a few fires started and you could hear a sort of whump sound when they started and then see an orange glow.

That was in incredibly thick fog, which was why my, much less busy carriageway (west bound early morning), had ground to a stop.

I can’t really comment on the wisdom or otherwise of drivers, but I’m pretty sure nobody intentionally made this happen. I reckon its a lot like the accusations of rubber necking you hear about all the time. actually the Highway Code does suggest you should slow down and take appropriate action when you see blue flashing lights. When you do you get accused of gawping. I suspect that some people slow down more than others in fog, and the disparity in speeds is probably the problem, especially so when as in this case you are near a river. You often suddenly run into much thicker fog. etc etc

Its just not always as simple as someone is to blame and someone is a **** when things go wrong IMHO.

I was referring to the cyclist quote. Keep up.

For the past few years i’ve had a 3 mile cycle to my work on a very quiet Galloway road for 3 days a week, no issues whatsoever, last year i took a second job at a bike shop 10 miles away which means i drive the A75 back and forward another 3 days a week and the amount of **** idiots who overtake in the most stupidest places astounds me, folk who tailgate are another pet peeve, in general i’d welcome a re-test every 5 years and remove a decent amount of folk from the roads.

As for the above crash ^, bad driving caused it, not the fog.

Personally I would just welcome some proper roads policing. Don’t stand on street corners with a speed gun at 11pm. Get out at rush hour and nick the **** overtaking wildly at way in excess of the limit and gassing on their phones.

No I have not been nicked late at night and I don’t drive in a way that’s likely to result in it either.

Shocking accident. How they will get to the bottom of who is a victim and who is a clot I don’t know.

So failing to fit a bike light (which you don’t usually need at that time of day and might not obviously need when you leave home) is directly equivalent to driving too fast for the conditions? How many of those cyclists crash into other road users do you reckon?

M62 Saddleworth moor where it goes from 4 lanes to 3 you get jet pilots in cars + fog and of course the ol favourite M62 jct 24-26. Hello fog bye bye DROP YOUR speed……..EVERYONE.

Agreed. ^^

I drove in this morning – quite heavy rain, loads of spray on the M60 and there were loads of cars without lights on, 80+ in the outside lane, tailgating, you name it.

Driving standards in this country are abysmal. 🙁

Yep. Simulators for everyone. Including simulations of a variety of crashes.