http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker en-US Wed, 30 May 2012 01:23:42 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-778466 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:03:24 +0000 chargebikes 778466@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The simple reason we (Charge Bikes) use plate dropouts on the Titanium frames is not because of cost, but because it is a neater and more supportive solution for the rear disk mount. If the disk mount is a part of the dropout, as it is on our plate dropouts, less stress is placed on the rear chainstay under braking. It does away with the need for messy brake bridges and we have yet to have a failure at this point on a Duster Ti, Blender Ti (4X frame) and Iron ti (Dirt Jump frame). Put simply it works. </p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Nick </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-768126 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:31:26 +0000 james-o 768126@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>&quot;anyone know where the TI Commencals have been made?&quot;</p> <p>yes - and i&#39;d trust them when it comes to ti. not seen one come back at madison. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-767438 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:16 +0000 kamina 767438@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Does anyone know where the TI Commencals have been made? I&#39;ve been offered a new 2008 flame for an irresistible price... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-767293 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:14:21 +0000 davidtaylforth 767293@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think the dropouts on the dialled bikes are a good design. Sort of a cross between the two. Loads of weld area for the stays but they are also pretty big and plate like. He doesnt use a brace for the disc brakes either. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-767287 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:13:42 +0000 nicko74 767287@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>but the 456 is not meant to be pretty </blockquote><br /> Phew - I thought you thought it WAS pretty, like a parent who can&#39;t see that their baby basically looks like Mr Potato Head... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-767126 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:33:22 +0000 Sanny 767126@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cynic-al</p> <p>For me, seeing any bike brake at a weld that is only three months old would give me cause to consider whether or not to buy one. Going back to my original question, I&#39;m still undecided as to whether this style of design is one that is potentially weaker than others used. I&#39;m not saying that anyone should not buy On one nor any other brand for that matter on the basis of one broken frame, only that it would make me think twice. I guess that is just human nature! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Ultimately, all bikes will break at some point. My trusty 5 Spot snapped clean through at the weld on the seat tube after 5 years of very extensive use while the aluminium headset insert in my Hummer decided to part company from the frame a few weeks ago much to my surprise! It doesn&#39;t mean they are necessarily badly made or designed nor that all Turners and Coves should be consigned to the scrap heap.</p> <p>Being Scottish, I could have had two 456s for the price of my old Hummer. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Sanny</p> <p>PS Fair play to Dave at Planet X for coming on with info about the new strut. There&#39;s a lot to be said for dealing with a UK business that clearly cares about its customers and it&#39;s public perception. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-766429 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:58:51 +0000 Michael B 766429@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>druid – I bought one of the previous design after seeing that photo. I&#39;m happy I love the bike. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-765570 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:20 +0000 daveplanetx 765570@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The really funny thing is that we had no idea Mark has added the strut to the rear stays until we opened the boxes yesterday , ( maybe I vaguely recall him saying something) but we ordered these frames way back in May and its been a very long delivery wait and I cant remember what happened last week let alone May. There were a few breakages , maybe 3 or 4 (out of quite a lot) , so its just a bit of additional strength .</p> <p>A bit of a breakdown in communication , cant say were fans of the strut , and it could have been made much prettier , but the 456 is not meant to be pretty so on the basis weve got quite a lot , and we paid in May ! , and we now need some cash for our big move were moving em out . </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-765530 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:28:34 +0000 ti_pin_man 765530@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The lynsky built ti ibis limited has a similar strutt. They should have made them with the same disk mount as Steve potts makes... Stunning and disperses the stress down the tube I am told! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-765423 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:55:01 +0000 kelvin 765423@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Would that strut on the new on-one even be noticed on a fully built bike? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764919 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:24:35 +0000 aracer 764919@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Not sure what point you are making</blockquote><br /> The point I was making was all in the bit you snipped! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764913 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:21:54 +0000 Pook 764913@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How do you strike the balance between style and substance though? Surely strength is far more important than looks? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764811 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:42:23 +0000 haddock 764811@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Prob not! A fair few commencals have popped up on here! Still nice bikes though if you get a good un. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764799 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:36:51 +0000 druidh 764799@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>haddock - Member<br /> mmm, not been loads of snapped ti 456&#39;s popping up on here, though admit its quite an addition to the frame in light of that pic.</blockquote></p> <p>I wonder if the proportion of snapped frames is more or less than Commencal or Cotic? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764780 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:30:03 +0000 haddock 764780@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>mmm, not been loads of snapped ti 456&#39;s popping up on here, though admit its quite an addition to the frame in light of that pic. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764766 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:24:16 +0000 druidh 764766@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Haddock - not mine, just linking the two facts together. On One obviously think there may be a design fault or they would not have needed that change. If I&#39;d bought one of the previous design, I&#39;d be a bit concerned. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764743 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:18:07 +0000 haddock 764743@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>So why the extra brace then if there&#39;s not a problem? Have On One had many of these back?</p> <p>Druidh - did that just fail from regular riding, what caused it? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764651 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:59:06 +0000 cynic-al 764651@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Sanny - One bike breaks at the welds and you tar all of them with that brush? </p> <p>Not sure if the point has already been made, but there may well be greater variation in weld strength than the strength of the dropout design.</p> <p><blockquote>aracer - Member </p> <p>or you could conclude that some people are not good bike testers and some are; knowing what to look for and how to test for it is different to just being given a bike and asked for a comment.</p> <p>You&#39;re right - the crucial part is knowing what you&#39;re looking for. </blockquote><br /> Not sure what point you are making, point I&#39;d be making is that there&#39;s nowhere near enough evidence to say &quot;it has the plate dropouts which we think are weaker&quot;, especially after a short test. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764451 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:18:44 +0000 Sanny 764451@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Brant</p> <p>At that price, it&#39;s a tough call. The cheap Scotsman in me thinks that&#39;s a bit of a bargain if the brace is a solution which would stop the frame from snapping. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> Whether I would be pragmatic enough to ignore the fact that the not necessarily statistically sound sample of one of my mates ending up doing a very long walk off a big mountain coloured my judgement of Lynskey made frames is another question. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Sanny </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ti-frames-why-the-fashion-for-plate-dropouts-are-they-not-weaker/page/2#post-764013 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:30:24 +0000 funkynick 764013@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hmmmm... directional bike frames anyone? To go with the chain lube?</p> <p>Oh, hold on.... :oD </p>