http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:47:29 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118480 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:40:14 +0000 Smudger666 1118480@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think greenwoood make a small version of their MVHR, or you could try vent axia.</p> <p>as for MVHR causing draughts - cant see it unless the vents/ducts were incorrctly placed. the fans are Dc powered, continuously running type and the actual flow rate is way less than that in one of the light/fan combo&#39;s you get in most bathrooms. 80% heat recovery is possble so it a nobrainer in new build IMHO. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118419 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:26:35 +0000 genesis 1118419@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>My Dad works for a company that manufactures insulation products that are used in &#39;kit&#39; houses, timber kit ones are a bit of a muchness though the best prefab ones are reckoned to be German or Scandinavian. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118412 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:25:21 +0000 Taff 1118412@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m &#39;experimenting&#39; with photovoltaics at the moment, a lot better when it comes to awkward roofs. You thought about geothermal or did you not have the room? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118369 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:12:59 +0000 bedmaker 1118369@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m nearing the end of a self build. I looked into SIPS and <a href="http://www.becowallform.co.uk/">beco wallforms</a> but eventually went with tried and tested timber frame and went over spec on insulation.<br /> Easily the best VFM way to build a house imo.<br /> I would still love to do a beco house one day but I found it hard to get a builder interested in it. They are very resistant to change generally I&#39;ve found.<br /> Most will take your plans and think, &#39;Hmm, never used this stuff before, best think of a healthy price then double it.&#39;<br /> I also looked at various &#39;green&#39; things for heat power etc but they all seem to be eye wateringly expensive and just before they have paid for themselves, will implode and need replaced. Only one I&#39;d consider would be solar hot water but I dont have a suitable south roof area due to dormers.<br /> Throwing a few extra thousand pounds worth of insulation at it is easy and effective long term. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118330 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:01:44 +0000 molgrips 1118330@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>If letting air out of the building isn&#39;t an issue</blockquote></p> <p>I never said it wasn&#39;t an issue.</p> <p>Interesting how people don&#39;t read things properly, isn&#39;t it? <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118273 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:40:20 +0000 Taff 1118273@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If letting air out of the building isn&#39;t an issue why are we designing air tight buildings... Enhanced accredited details etc ? Mevhr system that mean you don&#39;t have to open a window for ventilation.</p> <p>Coffeeking- with reference to your post at the top... That&#39;s enough! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118151 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:59:09 +0000 coffeeking 1118151@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>What about calculating the rate of heat loss through the required ventilation compared to the rate of heat loss through walls/windows/roof etc? Would be interesting. </blockquote></p> <p>I&#39;ve no idea what the required ventilation rates are at the moment TBH, but ventilation losses will always be in addition to loss through walls, so while it may be a small percentage, it&#39;s always there and always something to minimise. The heat exchanger systems may well be good for this. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118136 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:53:31 +0000 Stoner 1118136@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>tinas - stay well clear of those unless your are v. well informed. most land bank resellers are scamming the ignorant.</p> <p>as to construction cost, Build it and self build magazines cover it regularly. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118128 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:50:33 +0000 molgrips 1118128@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Clearly letting all the air out of your house is not ideal, I&#39;d have to be an idiot to think that and as well all know, I&#39;m not <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> I was just pulling you up on a technical point <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> And the more practical point that even if you left all the windows open for half an hour your house wouldn&#39;t be as cold as it woudl be when you say came back from holiday having left the heating off.</p> <p>What about calculating the rate of heat loss through the required ventilation compared to the rate of heat loss through walls/windows/roof etc? Would be interesting. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118115 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:46:54 +0000 thisisnotaspoon 1118115@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Just always wondered how much more people on grand designs were paying compared to if they&#39;d just settled for a more normal house on the same plot.</p> <p>There were plots for sale on the outskirts of Reading for £17,000, no planning permission, but in a place you could reasnobly expect to get it in 5-10 years time (technicaly greenbelt, but over the road form a new housing estate). </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118112 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:46:22 +0000 coffeeking 1118112@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Though I&#39;ve read about people managing it for ~50 and as high as 250 /sqft </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118106 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:44:39 +0000 aP 1118106@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Standard off the cuff response is £1,000.00 per square metre. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118102 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:43:49 +0000 coffeeking 1118102@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>tinas - meant to be around the £100 per square foot region IIRC. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118097 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:41:12 +0000 DaRC_L 1118097@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The standard insurance rebuild cost for 3-4 bedroom house is ca £90,000 (depending upon various rating factors such as location, materials etc....) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118096 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:40:38 +0000 flatfish 1118096@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>try western log group</p> <p>they&#39;re near afan so a good excuse for a ride if ever i&#39;ve heard.</p> <p>we&#39;re thinking of one too. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118083 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:36:36 +0000 thisisnotaspoon 1118083@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>out of interest, how much does it cost to build &#39;a house&#39;</p> <p>nothing fancy or outstanding, just a detatched, 3-4 bedroom, bricks and mortar house, cavity wall insulation, normal central heating and radiators, double garrage. Just an average suburban house, built to a reasnoble standard (so not david willson [st]homes[/st]sheds etc) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes/page/2#post-1118055 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:29:08 +0000 coffeeking 1118055@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I have approx 310kg of air in my flat. Heat capacity of air is 1.05 KJ/kgK. So that&#39;s 1.05*310=~330 KJ/K. To take open my windows and take the air away I&#39;m going from ~20C to ~5C, so 15C diff. So 15*330KJ ~=5MJ of energy binned. Seeing as 1J = 1w.s, that&#39;s take a 3KW electric heater half an hour to replace if it was 100% efficient. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1118015 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:18:16 +0000 coffeeking 1118015@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Not so - letting all the warm air out of the house doesn&#39;t remove ALL the heat from the house, as air doesn&#39;t actually hold that much. Most of the heat is in the furniture, walls etc. </blockquote></p> <p>I&#39;m aware of the thermal mass of the hard parts of the house, but they convey very little to the heating of the house - i.e. if you open the doors and flush out the cold air, the temp diff from table to air is minimal, so the heat transfer is slow and low, in order to re-heat the air you need the rads on, which needs burning of fuel. Though that doesn&#39;t mean you have to re-heat the hardware again (which saves obviously) it&#39;s still not ideal. It takes 35 minutes (I checked, last night) just to increase air temp in my flat from 19.5 to 21 degress. 35 minutes of the boiler on full whack and the rads at 65c. To go from ~5C outside temp it would take considerably longer, you can appreciate. To do that daily is nuts. I&#39;ll find the article if I can, but killing draughts and air-loss is meant to be just about the most effective method of improving home efficiency, as lost hot air and replaced cold air = comeplete loss.</p> <p><blockquote>For plots - an alternative is to buy a complete gopping wreck of a place and bulldoze it. It may be a cheaper/easier option than getting a site with planning </blockquote></p> <p>Still need planning, just not quite as difficult as dropping a new house in a previously open green field! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117984 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:11:05 +0000 Capt. Kronos 1117984@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I am very much a fan of the Scandinavian houses, there are a few manufacturers that bring them over and put them up for you (the basic shell - you supply the plot and pop the foundations/services down then they put up the basic structure). They will probably be at the show... ace buildings that are very, very efficient. </p> <p>For plots - an alternative is to buy a complete gopping wreck of a place and bulldoze it. It may be a cheaper/easier option than getting a site with planning <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117942 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:57:27 +0000 molgrips 1117942@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>That would make insulating them pointless as you&#39;re dumpign a houseful of heat each time. I have that problem now in a brick flat!</blockquote></p> <p>Not so - letting all the warm air out of the house doesn&#39;t remove ALL the heat from the house, as air doesn&#39;t actually hold that much. Most of the heat is in the furniture, walls etc. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117901 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:40:40 +0000 Taff 1117901@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>one of the architects I worked with was on GD with her piano house in London. I think because she was an idiot her house went half a million over budget. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117466 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:48:09 +0000 Stoner 1117466@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>aha. People keep telling me I should have got grand designs to film our barn conversion but I gather it&#39;s not sufficiently doomed to failure, with oversized egos, tantrums and outrageously expensive design finishes <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117424 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:37:34 +0000 Taff 1117424@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Kevin Mcleod is an interior designer and a professional idiot. </p> <p>90second house my ar*e. Connecting the panels to the crane take longer than that! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117363 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:20:53 +0000 tails 1117363@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>presents that C4 grand designs program. out of interest what qualifies him to talk about architecture/design, as his show is a C4 ratings winner so he must know his onions. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117335 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:14:51 +0000 Stoner 1117335@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>hoohee?</p> <p>(him ^, not piers moron.) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117313 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:08:57 +0000 tails 1117313@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> @ IHN, he is worse than peirs morgan. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117282 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:02:08 +0000 b r 1117282@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Have a look at YTONG, when I worked for their parent company they specialised (in Europe) in not only blocks but whole houses.</p> <p>And a house in 90 seconds - and not a hard hat nor hi-viz vest in sight!</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lCxCBzzobg&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lCxCBzzobg&amp;feature=related</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117276 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:01:31 +0000 IHN 1117276@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It&#39;s a great idea, and a beautiful dream, but, of course, the question is, will he pull it off?</p> <p><img src="http://www.bdonline.co.uk/Pictures/468xAny/o/m/w/Kevin_mccloud_alt_pic_HP.jpg"> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117248 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:55:11 +0000 Taff 1117248@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Huf Haus is good but very expensive for what you get. What ever you do stay away from Kingspan TEK. I do a lot of timber frame houses and can put you in contact with a fair few people could even give &#39;mates rates&#39; on a design if you&#39;re reasonably close <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif" title=":roll:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117158 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:32:50 +0000 Stoner 1117158@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>when my parents had a skandihus in wales there was a whole hosue heat exchange system that worked very well indeed.</p> <p>I dont propose installing a mass of ducting and a big fan to pump it all around in the barn, but a small baby uni would be quite handy I reckon. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117141 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:29:07 +0000 coffeeking 1117141@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m wary of the heat exchanging vent systems, I know someone who just fitted a monster unit, about the size of a fridge in the loft, (he&#39;s friends with someone who makes them) and apparently their house is now damp-free but quite cool and feels draughty despite careful vent location. He&#39;s yet to determine whether his heating bills have actually changed though. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117116 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:22:58 +0000 odannyboy 1117116@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>just get a caravan and live in any layby you choose for free.....<br /> ooops did i say that... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117111 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:20:08 +0000 Stoner 1117111@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>smudger - do you know of a supplier of a simple exchanger - I want to fit a single input/output unit?</p> <p>More detail - it will have a single warm dirty input and a single warm clean output. maximum pipe distances are no mor ethan 1m to outside or inside.</p> <p>Just looking for a small and cheap manually controlled heat exchange unit to move air from warm living kitchen to upper floor. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117096 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:16:53 +0000 Smudger666 1117096@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You wont have a choice regarding insulation - current building regs will force you to insulate. the &#39;well aired&#39; comment is a bit of a red herring for a new build - you want to be looking at whole house mechanical ventilation with heat recovery. Greenwood airvac make a couple of good systems that i have sold in the past - they do full ductwork design as well. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117084 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:14:07 +0000 BlindMelon 1117084@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>ck ask to speak to Gordon it would be worth a chat anyway </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117067 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:10:36 +0000 coffeeking 1117067@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Oooh fjord do seem to have some lovely houses, but their cheapest is 170K built, which is possibly pushing my boat out a little far when factoring in land costs. Might be worth a call and a chat though! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117040 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:03:42 +0000 BlindMelon 1117040@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Check out <a href="http://www.fjordhus.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fjordhus.com/</a> I have worked with them in the past and you can do as much/little work as you like </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117028 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:00:39 +0000 coffeeking 1117028@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cheers for the thoughts all, I&#39;m bookmarking for later deep reading! aP - yes, a concern of mine for sure. Ideally I&#39;d find someone capable of putting a complete solution together to suit local laws, but thats usually the most expensive route too. Bricks and mortar start to seem far simpler and easier when you delve into all the new available tech! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117013 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:56:44 +0000 Stoner 1117013@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>as well as CAT, check out <a href="http://www.buildstore.co.uk/mykindofhome/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.buildstore.co.uk/mykindofhome/index.html</a>.</p> <p>Also you can buy a useful book from CAT called the Whole House Book which covers some systems.</p> <p>I was visiting a designer yesterday and he showed me a very interesting german (?) block product* that gives fantastic thermal properties and amazing construction speed. Id consider it if I were looking to build a new build. As it is Im building a barn conversion myself so am driven by the existing building envelope rather.</p> <p>* found them.<br /> <a href="http://www.clayblocks.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clayblocks.co.uk/</a></p> <p>you can obviously clad or render them as you wish and you can layout any design you like. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pre-made-homes#post-1117009 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:55:40 +0000 aP 1117009@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If you are going to import an alien building technology, you may find that achieving UK regs difficult as (particularly) Germans have an interesting approach to anything outside their own experience.<br /> You could also look at Findhorn (breathing walls etc etc) and the AECB for examples to think about. </p>