twohats en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:38:37 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475580 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:29:11 +0000 Sidney 3475580@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>mikey74 - though it may say brass monkeys on the thermometer from what I remember of my Finnish adventures it doesn't feel quite so bad perhaps because it is a drier cold. Sometimes in England doesn't matter how many layers I wear I can still feel cold! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475540 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:16:03 +0000 mikey74 3475540@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>with -17F in the forecast I beg to differ <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475423 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:46:20 +0000 Caher 3475423@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I work with some swedes and they say it is not so cold in the winter due to the gulf stream... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475412 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:43:10 +0000 Pigface 3475412@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Could be very cold, hat and gloves essential as is some decent footwear. Just grab some thermals unless you are going to be doing anything outside. Have fun and learn a few words of Svenska. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475292 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:13:31 +0000 mikey74 3475292@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Apparently where I'm going is approx. 2.5 hrs North of Stockholm, although I suspect I will be indoors more than outside, as you say. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475277 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:10:20 +0000 Murray 3475277@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If it's Stockholm or Gothenburg normal "UK Winter" gear is fine. I'm assuming you'll mainly be inside rather than in a forest for 3 days. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sweden-in-february#post-3475172 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:47:28 +0000 mikey74 3475172@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Looks like I may have to go there for a three day work visit in a few weeks time. I suspect it will be cold so what gear should I need to take?</p> <p>Be aware that I only have "UK winter" gear, which is probably far from adequate for the Sweden winter, so any gear I take will probably need to be bought or borrowed. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443972 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:59:54 +0000 D0NK 3443972@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I only rode my heckler a dozen times last year, just consider it over kill for local stuff. It's a barrel of laughs downhill but the soggy pedalling and weight don't seem worth it most of the time. Pedalling isnt awful and other designs will be better but its maybe 10% harder uphill for 1% better downhill. If ur hitting the fastest rockiest scariest lines its ace if ur bimbling not so much. If I lived in the lakes I'd ride it a LOT</p> <p>My 5' light FS gets used a lot more*, more of an all rounder.</p> <p>all IMO ofcourse YMMV don't let others tell u wots wrong etc</p> <p>*still nowhere near as much as hardtail tho.</p> <p>Edit slow thrutchy stuff can be tricky too, geometry changes, wallowy and more effort to lift either wheel but as I said designs vary </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443949 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:53:45 +0000 PJM1974 3443949@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You do lose a little feedback and control. I can flick my old Enduro round my local singletrack drifting either end if I wish, whereas it's impossible to get that level of feel with my Wolf Ridge (on 160mm forks). Instead it seems to steamroller over terrain. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443905 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:46:49 +0000 deanfbm 3443905@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>.skill compensation<br /> .weight<br /> .pedaling<br /> .there is only so far bouldering over stuff can take you<br /> .makes the bike less responsive and poppy<br /> .kills the fun</p> <p>Apparent gains-<br /> .allows you to go faster in a straight line on rough stuff. generally this only matters to people who care too much about getting down a rough bit of hill quicker than their mates. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443782 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:19:09 +0000 Junkyard 3443782@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>for local stuff i would say 6 is overkill - only really the ice cream run benefits from extra travel {FS} and that is just more speed /less skill IMHO.My FS rarely gets out locally and usually only because it has not been used for a while.</p> <p>More travel = more fun down and slightly harder up as a general rule.</p> <p>Depends what you want it to do tbh - e-mail DONK he has one of everything including short and long travel FS </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443735 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:07:17 +0000 stevewhyte 3443735@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>ahwiles - Member </p> <p>if you don't use the travel to help you go faster, and or ride different trails/lines, it can make your rides a little less interesting.</p> <p>for me it ruined the climb:descend ratio.<strong> my hardtail makes the climbs easier+shorter and the descents more interesting+longer. and i think that's a good thing.</strong></p> <p>of course, your opinion may differ - i'm an idiot. </p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>Fooking nail on head, thank you........Thats why i need the new 29er hardtail!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443667 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:49:14 +0000 Superficial 3443667@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As AHWhiles has said, it's all about the climb:descend ratio. </p> <p>If your trails are a fire-road to the top while the descents are super tech and have gnarly drops in them (or you're just not very good at riding downhill and in need of a skill compensator), then it makes sense to have a bit more travel. But if, like most people, you climb up the same sort of trails as you go down, there's certainly a balance to be had. I ride in the peaks mostly and I'd personally argue the sweet spot is around the 130-140mm mark for me. I wouldn't want to be the one pushing a heavy 160mm bike up a climb that one of my buddies has ridden, but that's just me. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443634 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:37:29 +0000 wors 3443634@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i was asking as i'm looking to get my first full bouncer, i was looking at the sana cruz nickel and butcher, very similar geometry but the butcher has an extra inch of travel, just got me thinking why go for 5 inch travel when you can have six?? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443611 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:33:02 +0000 uselesshippy 3443611@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>buzz-lightyear - Member</p> <p>Easier terrain gets boring.<br /> this, and you don't get as much speed from pumping. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443609 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:32:02 +0000 wors 3443609@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>well, i've seen threads go off on a tangent before but suspension to coffee?? That's got to be a first.</p> <p>Thanks for the replies. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443598 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:27:00 +0000 crotchrocket 3443598@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>what blend/bean is it?<br /> Self ground or what?</p> <p>How did you cook it up?<br /> recipe etc please. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443571 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:20:28 +0000 ahwiles 3443571@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i'd describe it as 'average'...</p> <p>although it seems tastier if i leave it to cool down, and then warm it up in the microwave.</p> <p>(a bit like soup) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443435 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:46:59 +0000 trout 3443435@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Advantages for me is it means I can ride for longer and not have back pain in my old and fubared spine </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443430 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:45:20 +0000 buzz-lightyear 3443430@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Easier terrain gets boring. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443429 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:45:03 +0000 cynic-al 3443429@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>OP - you'll commit a proper stw faux pas, and maybe get slagged or flamed for riding too big a bike.</p> <p>I dunno about you But that would put my self esteem in tatters. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443402 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:37:26 +0000 crotchrocket 3443402@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How's the coffee? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443290 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:08:02 +0000 ahwiles 3443290@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>apologies for my last post - i took it off on a hardtail vs suspension tangent that this thread doesn't deserve.</p> <p>a bouncy bike may have an advantage over a hardtail on some climbs - but the question has to be asked: does more travel mean more advantage?</p> <p>i would reply: No.</p> <p>(i could blather on for a bit, but i hope i don't need to - and i've got pot of coffee to keep an eye on) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443225 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:51:34 +0000 Northwind 3443225@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>alexpalacefan - Member</p> <p>A HT goes up faster and down slower. </blockquote></p> <p>Not always though, on technical or even just really lumpy climbs a full suss can be better. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443208 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:47:42 +0000 alexpalacefan 3443208@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 ahwiles re. climb:descent ratio. A HT goes up faster and down slower. That seems like a no-brainer to me.</p> <p>APF </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443170 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:37:18 +0000 GW 3443170@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Makes your wrists weak, so much so that you may find yourself resting one on your hip while the other hangs limply as you go about every day tasks </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443038 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:04:48 +0000 mr plow 3443038@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Suspension is about compromise and where you want to set it. This goes for more suspension, less suspension and how you set that chosen suspension up. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443033 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:03:10 +0000 Northwind 3443033@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It can make some trails a bit too easy, is the main argument I think. My Hemlock can be a laugh up in the pentlands from time to time, just motoring over everything and anything as fast as I can, but my rigid bike makes the terrain much more interesting. (and means the descents last a lot longer!)</p> <p>I think a big part of it comes down to design as well... Shorter travel bikes tend to be designed more for covering distance, with more efficient pedalling, lighter weight components etc. Whereas longer travel bikes will tend to be tougher, and designed to cope with much more severe descents. So travel's only a part of the big picture but usually is quite indicative) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443026 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:01:57 +0000 thomthumb 3443026@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>geometry changes too much for my liking. when you are negotiating a v. tight switchback and the bike is pitching and diving &amp; the head angle is infuriating. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443022 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:01:24 +0000 PJM1974 3443022@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 for what ahwiles said</p> <p>A 160mm bike is great fun when the going is fast and rocky but even the lowest are still considerably taller than a 120mm bike. They tend to be shorter in the top tube too, so you wind up with a bike that feels like you're tottering at low speeds. </p> <p>Taming all that squish is almost a science in itself. Get it right and the bike feels fantastically fast and wieldy. Get it wrong and it feels wallowy, unstable and truclent. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3443001 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:58:10 +0000 vinnyeh 3443001@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>pedalling? - no disadvantage if it's working well. Today's 125/140 bikes probably pedal just as well as yesteryears 80/100mm travel bikes.</p> <p>Unless it's the touchy feel connected with the trail stuff you're worried about. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442992 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:56:07 +0000 wilko1999 3442992@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Some might say that because of the extra travel you end up with a generally heavier and less 'pedally' bike that is not as easy to lug around trails that don't need the extra travel I guess. Slower steering too because of the slacker head angles</p> <p>But I for one don't care too much, I like loads of travel, I'm never going to be super-fast so I'd rather plod up the climbs and along the flats on my 160mm FS and never be left wanting on the downs! Thats my take on it anyway </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442989 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:55:25 +0000 ahwiles 3442989@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>the more you have, the trickier it is to set up correctly. you can spend hours dicking around with settings.</p> <p>more travel = taller and more wobbly.</p> <p>it's heavier.</p> <p>it's more expensive.</p> <p>(unless you've set it up well) you stand up to sprint up a climb, and all you get is energy sapping squidge-squidge-squidge. eventually you adapt your riding style and stop attacking the climbs.</p> <p>if you don't use the travel to help you go faster, and or ride different trails/lines, it can make your rides a little less interesting.</p> <p>for me it ruined the climb:descend ratio. my hardtail makes the climbs easier+shorter and the descents more interesting+longer. and i think that's a good thing.</p> <p>of course, your opinion may differ - i'm an idiot. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442987 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:55:09 +0000 getonyourbike 3442987@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It's one of those questions where the answer is, 'it depends'. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442977 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:53:06 +0000 parisroubaix 3442977@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442965 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:50:52 +0000 crikey 3442965@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Try running in marshmallow shoes on a track made of jelly. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-disadvantages-of-having-too-much-suspension#post-3442958 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:48:40 +0000 wors 3442958@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>if any? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/vinyl-1#post-3365520 Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:04:00 +0000 lovegoinguphills 3365520@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Vinyl is the ultimate at sound quality......end of story. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/vinyl-1#post-3364569 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:51:28 +0000 MrK mkII 3364569@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i've been using a project for about 7 years and it's good. you need to manually move the belt from onto different cogs to adjust the speed, and it has no auto-thingy for the arm when the record ends, but it only cost £120 new. i've no idea about their current range though, i see they don't do my model anymore... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/vinyl-1#post-3364530 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:33:40 +0000 razor1548 3364530@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>"at what?</p> <p>Never brought vinyl, can't see the point, it's the music that's important not how you play it "</p> <p> Do you honestly believe that you are hearing the same music when listening to a fairly low bit rate highly compressed MP3 as when listening to a good vinyl recording?</p> <p> You probably do. Good for you. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p> It's all nothing to worry your little head about. The grown ups will talk about really good quality audio reproduction while you tap your feet to your mobile phone ringtone! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>