timp en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:24:05 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wtd-met-parachute-helmet-large#post-3409719 Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:21:26 +0000 Stiggy 3409719@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hi there, I'll sell mine, not used much, in the titanium colour.</p> <p>£40 posted.</p> <p>Email in addy.<br /> <a href="[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/52052599@N02/6743842411/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6743842411_d9be2bd516.jpg"></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/52052599@N02/6743842411/">IMG_0269</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/52052599@N02/">Stiggy2011</a>, on Flickr] </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wtd-met-parachute-helmet-large#post-3408798 Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:23:16 +0000 lumos1301 3408798@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'm looking to purchase a met parachute helmet, must be size large. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3402297 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:27:45 +0000 Stoner 3402297@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>That hub is to the Classifieds as <a href="http://www.hrp.org.uk/TowerOfLondon/stories/theravens">the ravens are to the tower of London</a></p> <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3400015 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:36:34 +0000 sugdenr 3400015@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Payment sent for the hub, whats so special people dont want it to go. ? </blockquote></p> <p>Its the Holy Grail of STW. You are the new unsuspecting guardian of the 'Silent Hub' and must keep it safe on or about your person at all times (in your camelbak is ok when riding), or until you can get someome else to take it of your hands for valuable consideration (postage at least).</p> <p>If you break these rules you will be damned for all time to be the ghost of trail centres past, present and future.</p> <p>And never say 'Silent Hub' 3 times in a row.</p> <p>You have been warned. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3399716 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:34:54 +0000 psychobiker 3399716@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Payment sent for the hub, whats so special people dont want it to go. ? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3399173 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:23:29 +0000 pedalphile 3399173@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>georgewins, i would go lower on the rotors, but that's well below the cheapest i can find them on the web that will get them to you within a couple of days! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3399164 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:18:45 +0000 pedalphile 3399164@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>psychobiker, i don't see an email address for you, i reckon £5 should cover postage (it'll be kinda heavy), Paypal "gift" to my email address (in my profile) and i'll get it out to you! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3399155 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:15:45 +0000 eviljoe 3399155@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I still can't believe it's gone... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_cry.gif" title=":cry:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3399147 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:13:52 +0000 pedalphile 3399147@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>man you guys have been busy! you all bought me a couple of umbrellas for my flashguns and dinner with my girlfriend this weekend, thanks!<br /> mech sold<br /> bottom bracket sold<br /> ear cover thingies sold<br /> co2 pump sold<br /> 185mm adaptor sold<br /> king cog, spokie dokes, cleats, seatstay and hub all sold (pending payment)</p> <p>if you all really want.....i'll just keep posting the hub anyways, just for old times sake! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3398907 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:11:52 +0000 georgewins 3398907@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Would you go any lower on the G3 rotor? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3396306 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:55:43 +0000 TimP 3396306@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>YGM re Avid 185mm Post Mount Adaptor </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3396098 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:59:29 +0000 boxelder 3396098@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>£8 for cleats? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3396026 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:57:03 +0000 mushrooms 3396026@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'll take the seatstay thanks, yhm </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3396023 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:52:51 +0000 seth-enslow666 3396023@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Ha that hub as gone! I'm going to do a dance around my room now! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395883 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:27:58 +0000 eviljoe 3395883@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Nonono this can't be happening! The entire website will implode if that hub is posted... its like the scone of stw </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395780 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:50:49 +0000 Stoner 3395780@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>dont do it! You'll tear a hole in the spacetime continuum! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395634 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:21:18 +0000 Rik 3395634@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>£8 posted for the front mech? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395583 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:08:34 +0000 neilforrow 3395583@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>psychobiker - Member<br /> I'll take the hub, let me know the postage please.</blockquote></p> <p>NoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOoooooooo. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395565 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:03:49 +0000 drotos 3395565@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>YHM re King Kog. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395517 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:53:44 +0000 psychobiker 3395517@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'll take the hub, let me know the postage please. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395247 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:56:40 +0000 finbar 3395247@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You can't give that hub away - it's an institution! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395231 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:54:06 +0000 sugdenr 3395231@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Inflator and ear thingies. I think I will regret this, but how about £20 for them? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395181 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:42:18 +0000 letmetalktomark 3395181@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Spokey dokies please <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Please could you drp me your payment details <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-massive-clearout-19#post-3395140 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:30:41 +0000 pedalphile 3395140@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yes, it's all going to keep getting posted until it's gone, so get used to it!<br /> Please email me (email address is in profile) with what you want, Paypal "gift" preferred!</p> <p>Speedplay Frog Stainless Pedals<br /> -Fantastic alternative to SPD, they're springless and clear mud/debris with ease<br /> -Great for bad knees as there's no sprung resistence, free floating!<br /> -These have had MINIMAL use, they look brand new!<br /> -Stainless as in stainless steel axle<br /> -Includes G3 Cleats<br /> -Many more features/benefits, Google them for more awesomeness!<br /> £65 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3552.jpg"></p> <p>Chris King Singlespeed Alloy 17t Cog<br /> -Brand new, never used<br /> -Very light with wide base to prevent cog "biting" into freehub body<br /> £25 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3927.jpg"></p> <p>Shimano XT FD-M750 Front Mech<br /> -Used, but in good condition, lots of life left<br /> -For a 34.9mm seat tube<br /> -Top pull cable routing only<br /> £10 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3555.jpg"></p> <p>Shimano Deore Hollowtech II Bottom Bracket<br /> -Used, but in good condition<br /> -Fits 68 and 73mm shells, spacers included<br /> £10 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3919.jpg"></p> <p>Replacement Seatstay for 2008/2009 Specialized Pitch Pro/Comp<br /> -Used temporarily, just a few small marks but otherwise mint<br /> -Mech hanger not included<br /> £15 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3558.jpg"></p> <p>Federal ACL Knee Gasket Knee Pads<br /> -Brand new, never used/opened<br /> -Size Large<br /> -Neoprene construction with thick but unobtrusive padding at knee<br /> -No hard plastic<br /> -Slips on, no velcro or straps<br /> £15 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3921.jpg"></p> <p>Specialized 30.9 Seatpost<br /> -Used, but good condition<br /> -Post has been shortened, it's about 295mm from rails to end<br /> £20 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3920.jpg"></p> <p>Innovations Proflate 16 CO2 Pump<br /> -This has only been used once or twice!<br /> -Pump only, no cartridges<br /> -Presta/Schraeder compatible<br /> -For 16g threadless cartridges only<br /> £15 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3918.jpg"></p> <p>Slipstreamz "The Slip" Helmet Ear Cover<br /> -Brand new, never used<br /> -Check the site for info:<br /> <a href="http://www.slipstreamz.com/content.asp?subID=8" rel="nofollow">http://www.slipstreamz.com/content.asp?subID=8</a><br /> £12 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3925.jpg"></p> <p>Woodman Headset Capsule Extreme<br /> -Adjustable for a broad range of steerer lengths<br /> £10 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_0981.jpg"></p> <p>Shimano 26t Chainring<br /> -Brand new, never used<br /> £8 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_0985.jpg"></p> <p>Shimano SH51 SPD Cleats<br /> -Brand new, unused<br /> £10 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_1040.jpg"></p> <p>Avid 185mm Post Mount Adaptor<br /> -Fits post mount forks to extend post mount brakes for 185mm rotors<br /> -Brand new<br /> £6 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3922.jpg"></p> <p>Avid G2 Cleen Sweep 185mm Rotors<br /> -Brand new<br /> £20 each<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3923.jpg"></p> <p>Avid G3 Clean Sweep 203mm Rotors<br /> -Brand new<br /> £25 each<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSC_5634.jpg"></p> <p>Lizard Skins Grip Donuts<br /> -1 new pair, 1 slightly used<br /> £2 posted for all<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_1039.jpg"></p> <p>Coloured Spokey Dokes<br /> -You know these, the make a fun sound!<br /> £3 posted for the bag<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_3914.jpg"></p> <p>Shadow Conspiracy Seatpost Collar<br /> -28.6mm<br /> £5 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSD_0700.jpg"></p> <p>Odyssey Mono Lever (Medium)<br /> -Brand new, never used<br /> £15 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/OdysseyMonolever.jpg"></p> <p>Thomson 25.4mm Seatpost<br /> -Great condition<br /> -shortened down to 160mm (rails to end)<br /> £20 posted<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/DSC_5155.jpg"></p> <p>Shimano FH-R080G LX Silent Clutch 32h Hub *FREE!* (just pay postage)<br /> -Hub is used, but in great condition<br /> *FREEHUB BODY NEEDS REPLACING, WHICH IS INCLUDED WITH HUB*<br /> -Haven't replaced freehub myself as it's harder when hub's not laced up<br /> -Silent clutches have unspecified engagement points, they just bite when you pedal!<br /> -Runs completely silent<br /> -Classic inexpensive trials hub<br /> *NON DISC OBVIOUSLY!*<br /> Just pay for postage, and it's yours!<br /> <img src="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u121/alexamato/Bike%20Stuff%204%20Sale/ShimanoSilentClutch1.jpg"> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3364654 Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:52:06 +0000 hzururbe12 3364654@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think I could do with shorter stem or more stack height.I notice how I have to reach out when I havent ridden my bike a for a while or been riding my dad's Parkway Reflex city bike.Would be less strain on the shoulders. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3364608 Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:10:58 +0000 snaps 3364608@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I find certain frame/fork set ups don't suit wider bars, I've recently gone back to bars ends on 600mm from 660mm bars without bar ends on one bike as they didn't feel right, but I've just gone up from 700mm to 740mm on the other bike. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3364050 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:48:22 +0000 philpott 3364050@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I found the biggest difference when trying a shorter stem was the ability to unweight the front end and not steering based, which would agree with DanW's comment about moments. If you half the distance from the front wheel. From going from a 100mm to 50mm stem, simplistically you will half the moment(which is a big difference) you're putting on the front wheel(as the moment is distance x weight) and make it much easier to lift the front wheel over stuff. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363989 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:37:32 +0000 hugor 3363989@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As toys19 correctly points out above the hand movement is directly proportional to the radius.<br /> The radius is more effected by the bar length than by the stem length as its at least 3 times as long (340 vs 100).<br /> Therefore I think your right DanW that I think the steering response is more effected by bar length than stem length.<br /> If you take this to the extreme, anyone that has ridden one of those singlespeed fixies with those tiny straight bars will confirm how twitchy they are!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363974 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:34:51 +0000 hilldodger 3363974@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Superstar just bought out a 915mm (1 yard) bar <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363887 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:19:54 +0000 ton 3363887@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>anyone do a 1m bar?................ <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363822 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:10:19 +0000 DanW 3363822@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys, I've been getting a bit too involved in this thread but... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>While the change in angle/ hand movement may be small the change in moment acting around the fork steerer centre as a result of changing bar width for the same force acting on the bars may be more noticeable. Just thinking out loud, may be talking pure BS! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363650 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:37:57 +0000 toys19 3363650@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Note the diff in arc length is proportional to the diff in radius, so there is no need to calc the arc length. So if you reduce the radius by 14% then the arc length for any angle will reduce by 14%..<br /> Either way nsdogs analysis is interesting. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363401 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:55:51 +0000 hugor 3363401@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hey nsdog I wasn't trying to start a barney. Its only Tuesday <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>I'm actually very surprised at the result.<br /> I checked your calculations also.<br /> Using 680 bars and a 100 stem the radius of the arc is 354mm.<br /> If you turn 60 degrees the hand arc mvt is 370mm.<br /> Going down to a 50 stem with the same arc and bars moves your hand 359mm.<br /> Thats only 11mm or 3% difference in hand mvt by halving the stem length!</p> <p>Thanks for making me download a scientific calculator that I haven't used in over 15 years! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363326 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:39:51 +0000 TandemJeremy 3363326@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>nsdog interesting maths - ta. I would think that is not a significant difference but its more than I guessed. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363325 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:39:31 +0000 DanW 3363325@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I bet in a poll of shoulder width vs. bar width on here you wouldn't find much correlation. It would appear logical although selling shiny stuff to the MTB masses isn't always about logic and function <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem/page/2#post-3363163 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:59:36 +0000 hzururbe12 3363163@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>thats interesting with the shoulder width. I can see with the printed out specs of my bike that 2 larger frame sizes 19,5 and 21.5 had 600mm and 620 mm width I guess in to proportion with body size. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem#post-3363114 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:47:22 +0000 nsdog 3363114@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>It appears that you've contradicted yourself however doesn't it??<br /> For a 45 degree turn there is only a 14mm change in the distance that my hand moves. That seems insignificant to me.</blockquote></p> <p>Hugor, past experience tells me you have good grasp of logic, but you have misfired here. I don't see any contradiction. I never commented on the significance of the size of the hand movement, I just calculated them to illustrate the argument. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>In fact I left the assement of the significance up to you. To quote myself: <blockquote>You decide if its significant.</blockquote> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem#post-3363110 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:46:43 +0000 ton 3363110@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>you bars should be 100mm wider than you shoulders. FACT </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem#post-3363068 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:36:03 +0000 honourablegeorge 3363068@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>hzururbe12 - Member<br /> pesonally I wouldnt like anything wider than I got on my Felt 650 espicially on longer road sections.Stock 580mm wide 30 mm rise handlebars and 100 mm stem is responsive enough for me also on rough steep single track.</blockquote></p> <p>I couldn't ride a bike with 580 bars and 100mm stem. Mate had 660s on hsi stumpjumper with a 90mm stem and I couldn't sit confortably on it at all. </p> <p>My regular bike has 750mm bars and 50mm stem - I gradually increased my bar width - 680 - 710 - 725 - 750. Every time I went wider, I liked it and stuck with it - honestly expected I'd be trimmign the 750s, but haven't, and I'm unlikely to do so now.</p> <p>Thing is, it's all personal preference. My 750s suit me, just as much as 580s suit the chap above, neither of us is right. Trial and error is the only way. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-are-the-advantages-for-wider-bars-and-a-shorter-stem#post-3363048 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:29:23 +0000 hzururbe12 3363048@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>but I also only have 80mm travel so I dont need wider handlebars </p>