steveh en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:08:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3315772 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:56:56 +0000 CountZero 3315772@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Why on this earth do you try to emulate a four year old by taking time to put extra letters in words?<br /> </blockquote><br /> Why shouldn't he? S'just elfin, innit. I find it rather endearing myself, but then, little things like that don't find me getting all bent out of shape over it.<br /> Others, however, seem to want to find the littlest things to get all over-excited about. Bit like a four year-old, come to think of it... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3315274 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:13:41 +0000 zokes 3315274@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Seems to have worked - you're now speaking properly at last <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>I must say that it was an exceptional insult though! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3315197 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:52:03 +0000 Elfinsafety 3315197@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>...Although it was kept up overnight whilst Ernie's post defending me was removed. </p> <p>So it's ok for people to post offensive comments about me, but not for people to speak up on my behalf?</p> <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_neutral.gif" title=":|" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3315195 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:50:49 +0000 v8ninety 3315195@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Ha, I was wondering... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3315184 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:47:25 +0000 sweepy 3315184@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>And by 'that' I meant the post that appears to have vanished overnight </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3314656 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:00:34 +0000 BoardinBob 3314656@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> Why on this earth do you try to emulate a four year old by taking time to put extra letters in words?</p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>because we all need to know how edgy and "street" he is </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3314487 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:10:29 +0000 sweepy 3314487@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>no need for that IMO </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/3#post-3314349 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:53:22 +0000 zokes 3314349@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I woon't be changing that point of view any time soon.</blockquote></p> <p>Well, I can walk through ADL airport with just a cursory x-ray / metal detector sweep and get on an internal flight to somewhere big like SYD or MEL, or I can go through all the palaver of liquids in clear bags etc etc etc and get on a plane to somewhere much smaller like chch.</p> <p>Strikes me that if I wanted to hijack a 737, I'd pick the one going to SYD rather than the one going to chch. This really baffles me - either it's dangerous to let people take liquids on or it's not.</p> <p><blockquote>We're probbly all doomed.</blockquote></p> <p>You're Cressers and I claim my five pounds! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313872 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:34:14 +0000 ernie_lynch 3313872@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Aside from air hostesses in a hijack attempt, what else do you need to cut?</blockquote><blockquote>Christ, how long a list do you want? Ever tried cutting a zip tie with a pair of scissors, or your teeth? How about the stupidly thick moulded packaging that memory cards come in? Or overhanging brambles and briars when out riding? Pallet strapping, thick cardboard, trimming back torn fingernails...</blockquote></p> <p>Well you certainly keep yourself occupied whilst on a plane flight, that's for sure. </p> <p>And that's not even the whole list. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313837 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:25:05 +0000 CountZero 3313837@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Aside from air hostesses in a hijack attempt, what else do you need to cut?<br /> </blockquote><br /> Christ, how long a list do you want? Ever tried cutting a zip tie with a pair of scissors, or your teeth? How about the stupidly thick moulded packaging that memory cards come in? Or overhanging brambles and briars when out riding? Pallet strapping, thick cardboard, trimming back torn fingernails...<br /> I use a Rolson utility knife at work that has Stanley blades in, and it's handy for all sorts of stuff, even taking the blade out for scraping tape and labels off stuff, the blunt edge has been used as a screwdriver.<br /> What I can't understand is how anyone can manage <em>without</em> a pocket knife of some sort. A good knife and a Sharpie are two things I just can't manage without, I very rarely ever need a multitool, and I have a couple in my courier bag just in case. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313800 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:12:48 +0000 Elfinsafety 3313800@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>didnt those chaps hijack the 9/11 planes with box/stanley knives?</blockquote></p> <p>Pft. As I've said, you could just as easily improvise a whole array of deadly weapons with stuffs commonly found aboard most commercial passenger aircraft. The alleged hijackers in that case were apparently highly trained in the use of all sorts of nastiness, so I doubt very much that a knife ban would deter them all that much. Prisoners in jails seem to be able to fashion weapons out of all sorts too.</p> <p>Personally, I'd use a dinner tray and The Power of The Sith....</p> <p>[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw[/video] </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313752 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:59:46 +0000 IanW 3313752@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Used to have a small swiss army knife, one blade, corkscrew, bottle opener. Forgot it was in my rucksac and had it confiscated at Girona airport.<br /> Seemed reasonable to me, didnt those chaps hijack the 9/11 planes with box/stanley knives? </p> <p>If I had to take over a plane I would rather have a pen knife than a bottle of water.! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313671 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:34:29 +0000 hels 3313671@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I read an article written by a Mossad guy once about the holes in airport security, he said that all that security x-ray, shoes off etc stuff is just to make people feel better. A bit like the safety drills. I mean, really, do you think that the mask popping down and giving you oxygen is really going to help. I'm not betting my life on the "floatation cushion in case of an emergency water landing", either.</p> <p>I got all the way to my seat once on an international flight, and some Italian bird was sat there with a boarding pass in her hand with my name on it, due to some check-in error. At least 3 people must have looked at that and her passport, and not one noticed the different name. (British Airways, if we are judging) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313637 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:26:45 +0000 Flaperon 3313637@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I fly with what I suspect is an identical Swiss Army knife and have never had problems at security. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313595 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:16:23 +0000 Elfinsafety 3313595@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Nope. We're probbly all doomed.</p> <p>Oh whell. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3313127 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:59:53 +0000 grantway 3313127@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>So looking at the above fine collection of blades<br /> we simply have no chance whilst flying </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312900 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:38:17 +0000 db 3312900@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Drac - when I said pen knife I meant a knife looking like a pen.<br /> Illegal afaik same as key knives.</p> <p>Have a look at...<br /> <a href="http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/prohibited/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/prohibited/</a></p> <p>db </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312748 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:15:16 +0000 don simon 3312748@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Surely the only way to eat fruit is with a proper fruit knife, no?<br /> <img src="http://www.btinternet.com/~sandyloan/Silver_Fruit_knife.jpg"><br /> Love to see anyone try and take a plane down with one of these... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312714 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:51:00 +0000 Elfinsafety 3312714@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>No course you don't need them on the plane itself, but people have them in pockets and forget about them, and can end up losing them. </p> <p>How many hijackings have actually bin foiled since the knife/pointy things ban?</p> <p><blockquote>Y'know, up until now, my general view of airport security was that it existed to keep us all afraid...</blockquote></p> <p>I woon't be changing that point of view any time soon.</p> <p>The ban on things is just to help 'reassure' people that flying is still relatively safe. 'We're doing this for your own safety'. No, you're doing this to help people have more confidence in air travel so's you can maintain ticket sales and profits. It's little more than a PA exercise. It's actual effectiveness in preventing hijacks is probably negligible and certainly not worth the fuss.</p> <p>Granted, security measures are improved, but not cos of the knife/pointy things ban. They've improved cos technology has improved, as well as knowledge of how terrorism is carried out on 'planes an ting. </p> <p>Oh, and the longer you spend in an airport (cos of the increased security checks), the longer you have to browse the duty free shops.... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312705 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:43:38 +0000 nealglover 3312705@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>....... Leatherman........Quite a handy thing to have, if yer going on holiday somewhere.......</blockquote></p> <p>Agree with that, and always take mine on holiday, and have one in the car, and one in my seat pack on the bike. </p> <p>But to risk losing it by sneaking it onto a plane (despite knowing if it's found, it's gone) seems a bit daft. </p> <p>How many people have had their enjoyment of a flight ruined by the lack of a pocket knife ? <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>.<br /> (I've got all my teeth too. 39 years old, never had a filling and can open beer bottles with my teeth ) <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312692 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:35:36 +0000 Elfinsafety 3312692@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I've still got all me teeth, and they're sound; not a single filling! Never had a toothache. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Why are people so hung up on the tools others carry about with them? I don't carry a knife generally, cos I don't need one. Sometimes I carry a small Leatherman multi-tool, which has things like pliers and screwdrivers on it as well as a small knife. No big deal. Quite a handy thing to have, if yer going on holiday somewhere. Number of times I've used the thing when camping and that makes it pretty indispensable.</p> <p>I'd bung it in me hold luggage though, cos as I've said, I don't actually need a knife if I want to hijack a plane... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif" title=":roll:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312677 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:21:17 +0000 zokes 3312677@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Small pieces of fruit, possibly. </blockquote></p> <p>Perhaps you've been in more fights than me, Fred, but I've still got all my teeth, which seem to do this job just fine... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312675 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:20:41 +0000 TandemJeremy 3312675@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I would always have a knife when going on holiday - usually just a Swiss army one. Very useful for preparing picnics </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312672 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:18:37 +0000 nealglover 3312672@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Small pieces of fruit, possibly.</blockquote></p> <p>Anyone who needs a knife to eat fruit in public, is either, an attention seeking Ray Mears wannabe,</p> <p>Or possibly a time traveller from a previous century</p> <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312656 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:06:16 +0000 Elfinsafety 3312656@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Aside from air hostesses in a hijack attempt, what else do you need to cut?</blockquote></p> <p>Small pieces of fruit, possibly. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312608 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:36:37 +0000 v8ninety 3312608@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>As an aside, I can't make a return journey on a plane without being stopped and searched at least one way. It's never, ever happened where I didn't at least get pulled to one side and patted down.</blockquote><br /> Strikes me that you are on a 'list'. I would be trying all sorts of freedom of information requests etc if I were you, although I have no idea how much luck you would have, what with 'national security' an' all... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312590 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:25:39 +0000 samuri 3312590@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As an aside, I can't make a return journey on a plane without being stopped and searched at least one way. It's never, ever happened where I didn't at least get pulled to one side and patted down. I've even been taken away to a room where they questioned me at length. Nothing has ever been found on me, they've never given a reason for doing it, just a random check. God knows how many plane journeys I've made but there you go. </p> <p>I went on a journey to Hong Kong once, very urgent repair and install job. Hand luggae was all I needed because it was a 24 hour job but I did have tools in there. Screwdrivers, snips, 81's, some DVD's and data tapes. I explained what they were for but that was enough to arose their suspicions. They confiscated my entire bag! </p> <p>It's not that random if if happens to me every time is it?</p> <p>My wife and son think it's hilarious but it's a right ball ache.</p> <p>Anyway, as a result I'll never take anything that could be considered even remotely dodgy in my hand luggage because they will find it, guaranteed. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312547 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:52:36 +0000 BoardinBob 3312547@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I think the over-riding question here is that whilst I can see you may occasionally carry something on a plane by mistake in a bag you use day-to-day, why do you all have knives in the first place? </blockquote></p> <p>To fuel their Rambo-esque wet dreams </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312528 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:40:15 +0000 TandemJeremy 3312528@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Knives in the UK - you need to have a reasonable excuse for carrying one unless its a small non locking one.</p> <p>My mother has had several knives taken off her at airports - she used to carry a 5" opinal locknife. Biologist by trade, a knife is a tool of her trade for collecting samples but she is lucky not to be prosecuted IMO </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312491 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:07:47 +0000 Drac 3312491@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Pen Knives aren't illegal, people just don't understand the restrictions. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312347 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:40:47 +0000 db 3312347@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Rule is up to 6cm IS allowed but it is not enforced consistently. i.e. shorty may be taken off you.</p> <p>Since the rule was relaxed I have flown weekly from Heathrow with a 'swiss card' which includes a short knife. Now and then security have taken a look at it but been happy to let it through.<br /> I flew from Birmingham last week and they confiscated the blade saying up to 6cm did not apply to blades in knives but only scissors.</p> <p>I kicked up a fuss but was never going to win so. Have written a letter to Birmingham airport asking why the guidelines are not being enforced consistently.</p> <p>I guess it's 'flyer' beware.</p> <p>db</p> <p>ps - the key knife I think is totally illegal as are pen kives etc in the uk. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312224 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:45:55 +0000 zokes 3312224@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Y'know, up until now, my general view of airport security was that it existed to keep us all afraid... Now i'm not so sure! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312201 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:43:06 +0000 grantway 3312201@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>A friend of mine travels with a key knife attached to there keys<br /> and is about 3 inches long. Looks something like this.<br /> <img src="http://theawesomer.com/photos/2009/05/052709_key_1.jpg"> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312179 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 03:36:07 +0000 zokes 3312179@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Aside from air hostesses in a hijack attempt, what else do you need to cut? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312175 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 03:19:04 +0000 Elfinsafety 3312175@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>To cut things, innit? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312172 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 03:09:03 +0000 zokes 3312172@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think the over-riding question here is that whilst I can see you may occasionally carry something on a plane by mistake in a bag you use day-to-day, why do you all have knives in the first place? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312167 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:44:46 +0000 CountZero 3312167@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Deadly, the Squeak can have the wire clip on either side, depending on how you carry it. Some Spyderco knives also allow tip up or tip down carry. Once upon a time they sold a little knife, blade about 2" long, like this one:<br /> <img src="http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q72/Tolly71/Co-Pilot-2.jpg"><br /> Called a Co-Pilot, as it was the only knife you could carry onto a plane.<br /> Not any longer, and now discontinued. I've got one, but I don't carry it any more in case I lose it. They go for silly prices now, on eBay, not that an eBay sale from the US would be allowed to the UK.<br /> Lovely, ergonomic little knives, very useful. You can buy a Squeak for around £44 in the UK.<br /> <a href="http://www.handyniknaks.co.uk/spyderco-knives-squeak-knife-black-frn-c154pbk-5192-p.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.handyniknaks.co.uk/spyderco-knives-squeak-knife-black-frn-c154pbk-5192-p.asp</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312165 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:41:09 +0000 bruk 3312165@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Best thing about AirNZ was the wine. Don't think anybody would try and hijack any of their planes either as the air hosts were mainly male and all looked like rugby players on the few flights I've done with them.</p> <p> Bit of a change from the usual trolley dollies </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312097 Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:52:06 +0000 morgs 3312097@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i'dve thought it should have been picked up.</p> <p>had a magic wand on the doors we used on random nights....if it could pick up woman's underwires, surely it should get a knife </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/knives-on-planes/page/2#post-3312095 Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:50:54 +0000 zokes 3312095@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>'ah it's only a wee one, on you go'</blockquote></p> <p>Clearly had a different security / checkin person than the arrogant cow the wife and I had the misfortune to deal with at chch. Wife's bag 9kg, mine 26kg. Despite that never being an issue when flying with anyone else, she really did want to charge me excess, until I pointed out she could always keep the queue behind me waiting whilst I moved a couple of pairs of jeans over, or stop being such an idiot.</p> <p>She took the latter option, after I pointed out that I'd never had this issue with proper airlines before.</p> <p>Pity, I'd heard many good things about AirNZ. </p>