ski en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:22:17 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3186384 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:04:21 +0000 miketually 3186384@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>£1400, next year, for two adults &amp; two kids staying 3 nights at Disneyland Hotel half board, including Eurostar tarvel!</blockquote></p> <p>Mother-in-law is treating my wife and our 2 kids to a trip to DLP for the four of them in February. They're going by coach and it's costing them about £1k for half-board.</p> <p>I refused to go. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3186369 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:56:44 +0000 mastiles_fanylion 3186369@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>joeegg - Member<br /> Save your money and go to the British theme parks in the Spring.I thought Disney Paris was really poor.Have a look at Terra Mitica outside Benidorm with cheap flights to Alicante.<br /> POSTED 15 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST<br /> </blockquote><br /> Bazookajoe has it - it isn't for adults and if your kids love Disney then they ain't gonna get the same experience at Thorpe Park or FlamingoLand... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3186360 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:53:56 +0000 leffeboy 3186360@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think for kids between 5 and 10 it seems to work well. After that it's not so clear but if the parents are walking around grumping that can rub off a bit </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3186341 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:45:11 +0000 bazookajoe 3186341@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I was a complete cynic bout it all until I went and thought it was great. No. 2 daughter is completely into disney films and I know would be totally amazed by it all, and paris too. Guess it's just a different experience for different people, some like it, some don't. I'd love to go again with the family </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3186167 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:12:32 +0000 sugdenr 3186167@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We stayed in the motorhome park (car park) and took a picnic and plenty of drinks, standing in queues for hours is suprisingly thirsty work. About as cheap as it comes.</p> <p>3/4 of a day at DLP, tick done that, never intend to go again, even my kids think there are better things to do than rubbish plastic american theme park. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185954 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:40:00 +0000 leffeboy 3185954@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> 3 nights at Disneyland</blockquote></p> <p>That's why it's expensive :(. The only benefit of staying at the Disney hotel (other than the Disney theming) is that you can get into the park before it opens properly (about an hour earlier I think). This is quite nice but as some of the rides are still opening at that point it won't get you on everything.</p> <p>There are lots of other hotels very close and a bus that runs between the hotels so there is no need to stay in those hotels.</p> <p>If you want some other tips then:<br /> Learn how to use the FastTrack system. It is great<br /> Arrange to have have a snack early and eat lunch late. The queues go down a lot over lunchtime<br /> The food in the park is outrageously expensive, especially the drinks. Either prepare for the pain or take stuff with you.</p> <p>The place is brilliant though - well worth the trip <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185947 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:29:16 +0000 convert 3185947@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Why, just why?</p> <p>No amount of pleading from small people would put me through that plastic fantastic experience. But then I'm weird and can't stand centre parcs either. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185943 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:25:34 +0000 restless 3185943@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>thats a day out at dlp which must include two ferry trips and 6 hours driving in france.. it ll be a LOOOOOOONG day...</blockquote></p> <p>This plus the drive from wherever you live in the UK.<br /> Unless you have someone to share the driving with, or just don't need any sleep it would not be possible, in reality to do the parks in just one day and all the travelling. At best you would get about 5-6hrs in the parks, which isn't enough. you would miss the parades and fireworks too. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185853 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:45:56 +0000 bazookajoe 3185853@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We did one of the Metro readers offers (through Mistral Travel) at bout 150 per person for 3 nights for new year. It was on a coach from Edinburgh to Paris which was an experience. This was a few years ago but there must be similar offers now. Hotel was in a suburb so had to bus it into city centre which was fine, bought the metro pass and disney park tickets in the shop on champs elysses. While everyone else rushed about on the excursions as extras we did our own thing round paris and went to disneyland on new years day, was fab. While I wouldn't be too fussed bout bussing it down again I would go the route of staying in a paris novotel or similar and taking a trip out to the park. There was a groupon deal the other week for disneyland, might come up again. Or look out for city break deals in paris and make own way out to park?</p> <p>would love to stay at the resort but having looked at prices it's a bit out of reach unless I sell one of the kid's kidneys. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185769 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:33:09 +0000 totalshell 3185769@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>thats a day out at dlp which must include two ferry trips and 6 hours driving in france.. it ll be a LOOOOOOONG day... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185279 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:14:01 +0000 joeegg 3185279@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Save your money and go to the British theme parks in the Spring.I thought Disney Paris was really poor.Have a look at Terra Mitica outside Benidorm with cheap flights to Alicante. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185061 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:21:20 +0000 mastiles_fanylion 3185061@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Just looking at The Sun deal myself - might risk a day trip in the new year. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3185016 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:11:24 +0000 restless 3185016@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i went last december for 3nights/4 days and stayed in a disney hotel. 2 adults, 2 kids, one infant and payed just under £600 for two bed self catering accomodation, breakfast and park tickets.<br /> i drove there and payed about £50 return ferry and about £200 diesel.</p> <p>there are cheaper and more expensive alternatives, but hope this helps <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>if you book at the right times, there are often kids go free deals , or 30/40% off deals. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184996 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:05:31 +0000 Jase 3184996@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>£1400!!!! Blimey, thought it might be a cheap trip!</p> <p>Checking out the sun deal. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184889 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:37:44 +0000 ski 3184889@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>£1400, next year, for two adults &amp; two kids staying 3 nights at Disneyland Hotel half board, including Eurostar tarvel!</p> <p>There are cheaper hotels &amp; package options mind </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184719 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:51:22 +0000 Bregante 3184719@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Have you seen this?</p> <p><a href="http://disneybrit.com/2011/11/sun-newspaper-offers-free-disneyland-paris-tickets/" rel="nofollow">http://disneybrit.com/2011/11/sun-newspaper-offers-free-disneyland-paris-tickets/</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184642 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:30:22 +0000 Pook 3184642@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>your soul. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184635 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:27:18 +0000 grantway 3184635@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Try and google</p> <p>[url=http://www.disneylandparis.co.uk/?cid=SEM_01_google_4002616_340909259_7453648882_B&amp;esvcid=S1321727266_UID13959499281f8f9da615830a6542ee40_ADOGOB_AGI4002616_CRE7453648882_TID340909259_RFDd3d3Lmdvb2dsZS5jby51aw==_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&amp;esvt=GOUKB340909259&amp;esvadt=999999-0-4002616-1]Disney Paris[/url] </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-would-a-trip-to-disneyland-paris-cost#post-3184626 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:25:16 +0000 Jase 3184626@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Thinking of taking my daughter for a few days by coach.</p> <p>Roughly how much should I expect it to cost?</p> <p>Cheers </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847916 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:45:12 +0000 kimbers 2847916@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>good quote from the bbc<br /> <blockquote> Crime intelligence analyst from London</p> <p>emails: I too would like to ask the prime minister and mayor of London who they think are directing the police by sifting through intelligence and identfying potential vulberable locations for disorder? It's not the front-line staff that they promise will not be cut but the backroom staff who they are offering no such promise about! Every intelligence researcher across London was offered voluntary redundancy in the last two months. </blockquote></p> <p><blockquote> Met Police Staff employee in London</p> <p>e-mails: I read with interest that the mayor of London is now advocating not cutting police officers. What I would like to mention is it is us police staff in boroughs that are keeping things operating and supporting officers whilst they are moved from their office duties onto the streets at present. Why not a case for us not being cut, especially us in an operational roll, or is it of course that we are just considered as "civvies" who do not count?</blockquote> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847663 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:55:50 +0000 BigJohn 2847663@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I just heard Tottenham Hotspur are trying to sign Grabatelli </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847380 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:07:33 +0000 Jamie 2847380@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Looks like Brum is on the edge after what happened last night:</p> <p><blockquote>12.20pm: Martin Wainwright and Riazat Butt are in Birmingham, talking to people there about the killing of three men who were run over as they tried to protect property last night:</p> <p>Feelings are running very high in Winson Green where residents of the largely British Asian area are out on the streets discussing the tragedy in shocked and angry groups.</p> <p>A committee meeting at the Dudley Road mosque this morning was "very hot" according to a group of men who were there, and whose view was echoed by the Bishop of Aston Rt Rev Anthony Watson, who also took part.</p> <p>He warned of events taking on a 'potentially ugly race dimension' with real concern over reprisals if pleas for calm were not heeded. He said: "There were some very good things said by older people, but some of the younger ones were very angry."</p> <p>One of the group of men said: "There will be race riots if the police don't sort this out quickly".</p> <p>He accused largely African-Caribbean looting gangs of targeting Asian-owned businesses, partly because they were perceived as easier targets compared with the city centre which was full of police.</p> <p>They tried to do over the Jet2 garage in Dudley Road on Monday night and they knew there was money in the mosque.</p> <p>"We were out there to protect both of them and other businesses and we were right to do that – because four carloads of blacks came along and it was obvious what they were planning."</p> <p>He said that one of the cars, an Audi, had left the road and rammed a group on the pavement including the victims – two brothers Shazad and Munir Hussein, 32 and 30, who ran a local car wash which was also among possible targets. With them was Haroon Chohan, 19, who worked as a mechanic in a local garage. He said:</p> <p>"They were all bright young men working at proper jobs. The wife of one of them is expecting. It's terrible."</p> <p>Concern at the meeting also focused on the 20 minutes it took for an ambulance to arrive, with Birmingham's big City hospital only five minutes down the road. The bishop said that this was an issue at the mosque meeting and the men accused police riot vans of blocking the road and adding to the delay.</p> <p>Two of the men died at the scene in spite of frantic attempts to resuscitate them, and the third died early this morning at the City hospital.</blockquote></p> <p>- <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/10/manchester-riots-uk-disorder-day-four-live#block-53">Guardian</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847290 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:53:15 +0000 KT1973 2847290@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Has anyone wondered why nothing has happend in Scotland or Wales?<br /> </blockquote><br /> If they did it in my town they'd be running away with a few birthday cards, 2nd hand books and some perm lotion from the hairdressers.<br /> Not quite as alluring as a Blackberry, a Playstation and some Nikes </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847257 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:48:12 +0000 morgs 2847257@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>24 minutes without a post? some fuel need for this fire I think....</p> <p>last night west mids police were (comparatively) heavy handed when you look at the Met. This was a good thing.</p> <p>Discuss <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2847103 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:22:44 +0000 Northwind 2847103@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>BigJohn - Member</p> <p>Because it rains more. Nobody's going to go out on the streets if they think they might get wet. </blockquote></p> <p>Weather was lovely the last few days, I got sunburned. Probably a bit too warm for rioting really.</p> <p>(today it is ****ing horrible though) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846498 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:23:41 +0000 ooOOoo 2846498@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>mug a hoodie </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846470 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:19:45 +0000 BigJohn 2846470@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> Has anyone wondered why nothing has happend in Scotland or Wales?</blockquote></p> <p>Because it rains more. Nobody's going to go out on the streets if they think they might get wet. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846458 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:15:27 +0000 WackoAK 2846458@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>They'll happily supress political protests but give looters and rioters free reign.</p> <p>Definite consiracy. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846454 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:14:55 +0000 binners 2846454@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>now <strong>THAT</strong> is a conspiracy I can believe in <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846439 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:10:44 +0000 Nobby 2846439@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Unless, of course, the last few years of gaffs were a deliberate act to make you think they couldn't organise a proverbial....... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846435 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:09:51 +0000 anagallis_arvensis 2846435@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>has anybody considered the idea that it's all a setup by somebody within the police in order to create public support for the idea that police funding and numbers should be increased?<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>The thought has crossed my mind.<br /> Has anyone wondered why nothing has happend in Scotland or Wales? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/37#post-2846430 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:08:14 +0000 binners 2846430@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>has anybody considered the idea that it's all a setup by somebody within the police in order to create public support for the idea that police funding and numbers should be increased? </blockquote></p> <p>But at what point did the aliens get involved? Before they shot John F Kennedy? Or after they'd abducted Shergar? And was Elvis directly involved?</p> <p>I think what's been proved by the Met quite consistently recently is that they couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery, let alone a decent conspiracy </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846410 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:03:46 +0000 Nobby 2846410@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>aracer - Member<br /> cba reading all that, so apologies if the point's been made before, but has anybody considered the idea that it's all a setup by somebody within the police in order to create public support for the idea that police funding and numbers should be increased? </p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>That's a hell of a conspiracy theory - Police shooting a man dead to spark civil unrest purely to keep their funding up? :-\ </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846358 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:54:28 +0000 aracer 2846358@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>cba reading all that, so apologies if the point's been made before, but has anybody considered the idea that it's all a setup by somebody within the police in order to create public support for the idea that police funding and numbers should be increased? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846323 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:43:21 +0000 Zulu-Eleven 2846323@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>ivantate - As I said before - when does public spiritedness become vigilanteism?</p> <p>Personally, I'd say the difference is that it only becomes vigilanteism if people take it unto themselves to dish out "justice" rather than limiting themselves to preventing crime/disorder and apprehending lawbreakers - and that the law is on their side in doing so (indeed, always has been) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846319 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:43:11 +0000 MSP 2846319@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>ivantate - Member</p> <p>Vigilante groups are probably the only way out of this long term as they can be far quicker to respond than the police.<br /> Their presence should be enough to deter most of the wasters causing the problems. I am thinking of a united community more than hit squads dealing out beatings to random hoodies. </blockquote></p> <p>One of the causes of the disaffection is a belief that some communities are policed differently to others. How is summary justice without order going to improve that, what happens when community defence groups start attacking each other, who decides who's guilty and innocent. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846273 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:33:41 +0000 ivantate 2846273@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Vigilante groups are probably the only way out of this long term as they can be far quicker to respond than the police.<br /> Their presence should be enough to deter most of the wasters causing the problems. I am thinking of a united community more than hit squads dealing out beatings to random hoodies. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846266 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:32:26 +0000 trail_rat 2846266@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>got it - we cant deploy the army to the streets as thats not really a good solution to the problem to shoot all the rioters (sorry theiving scumbags) BUT </p> <p>use the army to protect the firebrigade .... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846254 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:30:01 +0000 hora 2846254@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Just need to get this off of my chest, to those following this thread who 8 months ago had nothing but derogatory remarks to make about London's firefighters during our industrial dispute.</blockquote></p> <p>My beef is with the management who decided you needed less appliances but more expensive ones through a fraudulent-PFI arrangement. </p> <p>Personally I wouldn't want to fight ferocious fires with the risk of some mouth-breather throwing half-bricks at me. Firefighters here in Salford have that risk 365 days a year. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tottenham-riots/page/36#post-2846250 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:29:08 +0000 ernie_lynch 2846250@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>And some on this site would have you believe that David Cameron's "big society" was all a fantasy</blockquote></p> <p>Ah I see Zulu-Eleven, what we are witnessing is a Tory plan falling into place.</p> <p>Good point and I'm glad that you made it. </p>