mrmo en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:48:30 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2649748 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:47:56 +0000 dekerferwils 2649748@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>hi crispedwheel i`ll try to get some for friday. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2649195 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 09:49:11 +0000 crispedwheel 2649195@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>dekerferwils - any photos? I might be interested in this. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2648615 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:54:54 +0000 Admiralable 2648615@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>As haggis said try retrobike brilliant site for the slightly older stuff. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2648547 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:03:41 +0000 dekerferwils 2648547@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It`s an 18" frame. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2646456 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:59:21 +0000 jimster 2646456@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>What size frame is it? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2646023 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:05:40 +0000 dekerferwils 2646023@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Love to haggis1978 but i need to fund a yeti build, and this has sat needing money i cant spare, if it went, i would be unhappy,but to a good home... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645925 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:44:01 +0000 lovewookie 2645925@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Last generation frame on ebay (just looked) with paint matched Judy's went for £70 posted.</p> <p>if it was my size I would have snapped it up myself!</p> <p>I would have originally thought that you'd be looking at between £100-£150, as I think the ebay one went for that as it was a 21". More reasonable size and you'd get more. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645867 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:30:49 +0000 Hairychested 2645867@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>^^^ as (s)he says ^^^ </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645854 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:28:04 +0000 haggis1978 2645854@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>if a respray is really needed then that can add £100 to someones outlay on the frame. the last few SLs' on ebay went for really cheap at around £250 whereas a year or so ago the generations were going for that easy. have a wee look over on retrobike and do a search in the for sale section. pictures speak a thousand words. Ive got a DeKerf UK Ltd Edition and i wouldnt even think about getting rid of it for anything like £250 as its the best steel hardtail i've ever owned and i've owned a few <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> If it was me i'd get it resprayed and a disc mount added and stick a short travel SID on it. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645797 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:14:08 +0000 dekerferwils 2645797@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>A 96<br /> £499<br /> usual rub marks, respray needed<br /> 50mm but really a rigid<br /> XC whippet </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645774 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:08:52 +0000 Rickos 2645774@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How old?<br /> What price was it new?<br /> Condition?<br /> What travel forks is it for?<br /> Trail bike stylee or XC whippet?</p> <p>I only ask as I know nowt about them. So, in reality I'm prolly not going to be any help. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dekerf-generation-frame#post-2645724 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:58:25 +0000 dekerferwils 2645724@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Wanting to sell my Dekerf Generation frame, but what price to ask? haven`t seen any on ebay for years,any thoughts </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2630948 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:36:38 +0000 Shibboleth 2630948@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'm not a journo, or an aerospace engineer. I'm just telling you how different they feel. To be honest, it was a bit disconcerting at first as I found it much harder to 'steer' whilst texting <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>My first thought was the rim profile, but like you say, a few mm is probably negligible. The only other difference is that the nipples are at the rim rather than the hub. But they're a MUCH lighter rim, so I can't see that making any difference.</p> <p>So that leaves either the rigidity of the build, or the spokes which are far more aero than on the R550s... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2630908 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:23:41 +0000 cynic-al 2630908@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Aye fair enough. I guess my point is that it's well established that rotating weight has a greater effect than static on how light a bike feels. My 24 spoke alpha's feel fine under my 12 stone so far...</p> <p>Shibbers I don't see how 5mm of rim height can affect stability that's all, particularly when the rim is lighter, you seemed to imply a direct link in a journo style. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2630797 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:45:30 +0000 ransos 2630797@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Fair enough ransos - could have got it to 1450gm with alphas though!</blockquote></p> <p>Oh, I'm sure you're right, and I know I could have gone lighter. But my winter bike has a ten-year old set of Open Pros in perfect condition, so I wanted to stick with them. Strength was important for me as I'm not too good at avoiding the potholes. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2630791 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:44:17 +0000 Shibboleth 2630791@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>WTF? Is this what magazines are spouting these days? </blockquote></p> <p>I've no idea if that's what magazines are spouting, but they feel noticeably more stable - most noticeable when I took the hands off the bars, the bike felt less wobbly. I was surprised as they're only 5mm or so deeper.<br /> Maybe it's the fact that they're a much stiffer wheel or much more aero spokes - I'm not sure - but there is definitely a marked difference. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2630773 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:38:24 +0000 cynic-al 2630773@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Fair enough ransos - could have got it to 1450gm with alphas though!</p> <p><blockquote>being a bit deeper in profile, they feel very stable on the straights.</blockquote></p> <p>WTF? Is this what magazines are spouting these days? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2629773 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:54:07 +0000 Shibboleth 2629773@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Well, this afternoon I nipped over to Merlin and picked up a set of the Ultegras. Spoke to the mechanic who said they had loads of Fulcrums back for warranty repairs, but the Shimanos were far more reliable. He rated the RS301s but pointed out that they were no lighter than my existing wheels, so I wouldn't feel any improvement.</p> <p>First impressions, they're very subtly styled - rim graphics are quite understated but the hubs are nicely polished/anodised and look very classy.</p> <p>They come with valves/seals ready to run tubeless and don't require a rim strip, though I've set them up with Conti Ultra Gatorskins and tubes.</p> <p>Just taken them for a 10 mile ride with a very tough climb up the back of Jeffrey Hill (just north of Preston) and a 2 mile rolling descent. They feel far more sprightly than the R550s that they replaced, they accelerate noticeably quicker and, being a bit deeper in profile, they feel very stable on the straights.</p> <p>They felt rock solid on the climb too, with no discernible flex or creaking (I'm 13.5 stone). And they make a very satisfying hum at speed.</p> <p>Overall, bloody happy with them, so thanks for the advice! Are they worth the money? Certainly. I don't think there's anything else comes close without spending a fair bit more, and I'm happy to spend the money knowing I've got a reliable wheelset that's not going to fail 50 miles from home. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628312 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:12:45 +0000 ransos 2628312@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I think the reason handbuilt wheels are so rated as having no problems is that they generally have heavy-ish rims (in comparison to the lightweight stuff) and higher spoke count.</blockquote></p> <p>My setup (see above) is 1600g with 32 spokes per wheel. Not uber-light I agree, but lighter than most factory stuff at the same price point. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628242 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:52:51 +0000 The Flying Ox 2628242@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Sorry dude. Thought you only had Victory 30s in...</p> <p>I'll blame it on my utter shatteredness from yesterday's two rides. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628207 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:40:53 +0000 flyingfox 2628207@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>OI! Ox - we sell American Classic Victory wheels too! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628198 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:38:03 +0000 13thfloormonk 2628198@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>They were unnecessarily heavy (i.e. more than other comparably prices ones), dead feeling, the freehub was stupidly loud (which i gather most MTBers like, but it's not my thing at all), the skewers were nasty and cheap and the bearings in the front hub lasted all of one winter.</p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>Actually... those things all ring a bell, I don't even like the loud freehub on my MTB to be honest! I changed the skewers immediately and fitted new bearings quite quickly too, at least they were easily swapped.</p> <p>I think I rated them because they were my first road wheels, and I was pleased at how tough they were. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628172 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:28:14 +0000 cynic-al 2628172@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think the reason handbuilt wheels are so rated as having no problems is that they generally have heavy-ish rims (in comparison to the lightweight stuff) and higher spoke count.</p> <p>If you ride light wheels with low spoke count - hand-built or factory built (the high end factory ones are at least finished by hand AFAIK) it stands to reason that you will need to true them from time to time IMO. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628115 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:10:53 +0000 finbar 2628115@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Wow. I've only ridden budget wheels but thought the Racing Seven was great, nice and stiff and sturdy. Whats so bad about them? (not that I care, riding cheap shimano now until I can afford some Carbon Laminate Dura Ace )</blockquote></p> <p>Most of the wheels i've ridden are cheap (the nicest ones i've had are Ultegras), but i've been through a lot - Shimano R500s, Aksiums, Mavic Cosmic, some random Cole Shuriken ones on a Focus, various handbuilts, and Fulcrum Racing Sevens really were the worst.</p> <p>They were unnecessarily heavy (i.e. more than other comparably prices ones), dead feeling, the freehub was stupidly loud (which i gather most MTBers like, but it's not my thing at all), the skewers were nasty and cheap and the bearings in the front hub lasted all of one winter.</p> <p>They were the first gen ones, and i understand they've improved since, but i still wouldn't go anywhere near them. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628076 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:53:29 +0000 oldgit 2628076@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Ultegras are indeed nice wheels, mine give a nice all round ride.</p> <p>It's a shame you cant get all the Alex A Class stuff here as it's silly cheap and very good. I've got some that I can't recall ever buying? very 'American Classics' in design and weight. If you can find them here in the UK they'd be worth a look. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628028 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:37:30 +0000 13thfloormonk 2628028@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Racing 5s or *shudder* 7s (worst wheel i ever rode)</blockquote></p> <p>Wow. I've only ridden budget wheels but thought the Racing Seven was great, nice and stiff and sturdy. Whats so bad about them? (not that I care, riding cheap shimano now until I can afford some Carbon Laminate Dura Ace <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_cool.gif" title="8)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> ) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628020 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:35:28 +0000 topangarider 2628020@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I second ransos - handbuilt wheels are far better. Go for Mavic open pros with the best hubs you can afford for your budget - I think I've seen Tiagra on Mavic OPs for about £135 on an ebay shop. </p> <p>I've had my handbuilt wheels for 8 years and had to do very little by way of truing, just look after the hubs. Factory wheels are popular cos they look flash, but Hand Built are tops. Wish Merlin did HB road wheels!</p> <p>If I had the cash I'd get road Hope Hoops - flash and hand built! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628014 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:33:47 +0000 ianpv 2628014@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'm on my second set of model b's having pulled the spokes through the rim on my first lot. I'm not heavy or particularly powerful, and am not the only one to have done this. I'd be careful about adding an extra turn to the nipples on them on this basis. Planet x were great with the warranty, and they are great value, but you get what you pay for to some extent (weak rims and cheesy freehub that makes cassette removal tricky). I'd probably go for those ultegras - but are they cup and cone? (wouldn't bother me if so but YMMV) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628005 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:32:02 +0000 cynic-al 2628005@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I built up some 1400gm ish wheels recently for &lt;£250 using stans alphas and 24H sh hubs, not beasted them yet but they seem stiff enough.</p> <p>Winner <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_cool.gif" title="8-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Even if you don't go for light hubs it seems worthwhile to get these rims even on 105 hubs, I'm not sure there's a cheaper way of saving 75gm per wheel of rotating weight for £85 (over £38?) for Open Pros. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2628004 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:31:50 +0000 KINGTUT 2628004@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Fair enough, mines mainly Dura Ace, and the planet Xs don't look out of place, that said I replaced my wheels on a budget although I know far better riders than me that highly rate Model Bs compared to far more expensive wheels. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627993 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:29:52 +0000 ransos 2627993@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If your budget is up to £200ish, I strongly recommend going for handbuilt wheels. I had Mavic Open Pro CDs laced with DT Revolution spokes, alloy nipples and Ambrosio Zenith hubs for £230 or so. Very light, very strong, and easy to repair. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627990 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:29:29 +0000 Shibboleth 2627990@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Without getting into deep sectioned Zipps etc, maybe. But I'm not going to spend £2grand on a pair of wheels!</p> <p>My bike has Ultegra stuff on it, and I'm happy with the bling-factor! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627973 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:26:53 +0000 KINGTUT 2627973@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>You've also got to ask, how much pimp-factor do a wheel add to the bike. I think the Ultegras will add at least twice as much as the Planet Xs, so they still represent good VFM.</blockquote></p> <p>As road wheels go there's not a lot of pimp factor in either to be honest. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627964 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:24:30 +0000 Shibboleth 2627964@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You've also got to ask, how much pimp-factor do a wheel add to the bike. I think the Ultegras will add at least twice as much as the Planet Xs, so they still represent good VFM.</p> <p>Re weight, I do a lot of climbing, so weight is quite an important factor in making the bike feel lively on climbs. Ultegra sound like a good balance of weight/strength/rim profile... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627957 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:20:54 +0000 cp 2627957@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>ref. the model b's 'flexibility' - I added an extra turn onto all the nipples on my rear (ooo err), and it noticeably stiffened up when doing the leaning on it test. absolute bargain for what they are. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627948 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:18:51 +0000 finbar 2627948@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>To the OP - RS30s are not an upgrade from RS550s, i think they might even be heavier. They're a bit more aero but only 30mm deep so it's not even much of a difference in that respect.</p> <p>From the options above, i think the American Classic Victories or the Ultegras are the only ones that will make your bike feel noticeably nicer. Racing 5s or *shudder* 7s (worst wheel i ever rode) aren't going to be much different. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627937 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:16:23 +0000 oldgit 2627937@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Shibboleth - It's not all in the weight, obviously it's a big factor but some very fast wheelsets are quite heavy. It's very similar to having a carbon frame at any price. Design, profile etc might need to be looked at. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627936 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:15:58 +0000 Shibboleth 2627936@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I think I'm going to have to go for the Shimanos... I'm 13.5 stone, so the Planet X might be a bit soft, and I've just been reading the reviews of the Ultegras and they do sound awesome, certainly a big step up from the "budget" wheelsets.</p> <p>And at £206, they're excellent value... Unless there's anything else worth a look?</p> <p>(the American Classics are another jump in price too far!!!!) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627932 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:14:28 +0000 pedalhead 2627932@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>slight hijack sorry but the road wheel geeks are clearly in attendance. I'm speccing up quite a tasty Ti road bike &amp; a bit stuck on wheelset. Is there really much benefit in a pair of £600 - £700 wheels versus something around £200? Seems that weight isn't necessarily that much different. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-bike-wheels-3#post-2627904 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:09:07 +0000 cp 2627904@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>