lanesra en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:25:16 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490884 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:17:55 +0000 coolhandluke 1490884@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Not used a big ring on my last three chainsets as I alway put my trusty and cheap at £10 FSA bashguard on as soon as I get a new chainset.</p> <p>its taken a few hits but mainly saves my jeans ripping when I use my bike to pop to the shops on.</p> <p>not missed a big ring at all. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490802 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:55:21 +0000 ooOOoo 1490802@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The concern over each others pedalling behaviour on here is....*wipes tear*...well, it&#39;s just, beautiful </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490408 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:06:11 +0000 Northwind 1490408@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Me: &quot;everything else is wasted overlap.&quot;</p> <p>nickc - Member:</p> <p>&quot;Not quite though is it&quot;</p> <p>No, it really is. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490289 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:35:03 +0000 firestarter 1490289@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>christ ive been running 22/36 for ages now cant believe this thread is still going after over a year <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490276 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:30:42 +0000 The Sanity Assassin 1490276@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I cba reading the whole thread, but I&#39;ve run 26-36-Bash/11-32 on my Stiffee for the 4 years that I&#39;ve had it. The marks and gouges on the bash ring suggest that it&#39;s done a pretty good job of preventing much greater damage to the chain/chainrings. The bike&#39;s done everything from gentle canal-side pootles to a fortnight in Whistler Bike Park and the only thing that I occasionally change are the tyres. At no point have I ever really got close to &#39;spinning out&#39; off-road, so I really don&#39;t see any need to go back to fitting a &#39;big&#39; ring on there.</p> <p>I also have a Maxlight120 for use at events like Mayhem/SitS/local Challenge events etc, and for that I&#39;ve specced an SLX 22/32/44. IME the courses are &#39;untechnical&#39; and don&#39;t challenge your riding skills, only your speed/fitness. There&#39;s also plenty of tarmac on the local challenges, so it makes more sense to have the big ring on there. It&#39;s probably also fair to say that I&#39;m generally more of a &#39;harder gear masher&#39; than a &#39;sit and spinner&#39;, so my riding style tends to suit being sat in the 36t ring all day on more challenging terrain, and the 44t ring gets used quite a bit in &#39;race&#39; situations. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490231 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:17:36 +0000 buzz-lightyear 1490231@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>lack of fitness? Well yes, probably. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> The setup is perfect for me then. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490196 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:59:30 +0000 ooOOoo 1490196@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I wonder what size ring they were running at Fort William today? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1490108 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:23:53 +0000 nickc 1490108@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><em>everything else is wasted overlap.</em></p> <p>Not quite though is it, always just a bit slower with a 36, but hey, whatever makes you feel better </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1489981 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:33:46 +0000 Northwind 1489981@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>&quot;Double and bash on an otherwise standard XC bike? = lack of fitness/ in denial about it&quot;</p> <p>How often do you actually need to use those top 2 gears? remember that&#39;s the only ones you lose comparing 36 to 44, just the very top 2 gears, everything else is wasted overlap. The only time I ever used those, I was spinning incredibly slowly anyway, so I could&#39;ve put power down in the highest gear 36 gives me too. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1489915 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:15:43 +0000 nickc 1489915@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Double and bash on an otherwise standard XC bike? = lack of fitness/ in denial about it. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1488873 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:39:03 +0000 landy813 1488873@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I took the XT double of my Spicy and fitted a SLX double and E13 DRS without any kind of modification, just a straight swap. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1488842 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:08:05 +0000 spangelsaregreat 1488842@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>Does the SLX double have a narrower bottom bracket or is it just the same as the triple?</p> <p>Regards </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/4#post-1488836 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:59:54 +0000 Andituk 1488836@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The benefits of a bash outweighed the benefits of a big ring for me.</p> <p>If I&#39;m going fast enough to spin out on a double, I must be going down a hill (I&#39;m not fast enough to do it anywhere else) or on a road, in which case, I don&#39;t feel the need to pedal any faster. Road is just a way to get from one trail to the next, and downhill, I&#39;ll be grateful for the rest.</p> <p>I now don&#39;t have to worry about snagging trouser legs, or cutting myself on a big spiky round thing next to my calf, or bashing a rock or a log, or having a chain too long.</p> <p>Plus its white with go faster stripes. How cools that <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488812 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:25:42 +0000 Northwind 1488812@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>ooOOoo - Member</p> <p>&quot;It&#39;s weird, you would have thought with all the advances in bikes, shox, suspension, tyres etc., people would be going faster.&quot;</p> <p>Er, we are. Or alternatively we&#39;re using the new technology to ride harder stuff. Well, not everyone is but most enthusiasts are. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488782 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:54:33 +0000 ooOOoo 1488782@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It&#39;s weird, you would have thought with all the advances in bikes, shox, suspension, tyres etc., people would be going faster. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488696 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:10:15 +0000 BillOddie 1488696@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I went from triple to double with bash but found I was dropping the chain all the time on fast rocky decents despite having shortened the chain, fitted a med cage rear mech and lowered the front mech so I went to double with bash and chain device. That was fine but having tried a triple again I prefer it. Big ring on the decents keeps the chain on and the gearing suits the speed beter. Its much easier to add a bit of speed with a few turns, double was just too spinny. </blockquote></p> <p>Front mech set up - You&#39;re doing it wrong!</p> <p>I have gone back to 22:32:Bash BTW since I posted on this thread a year ago.<br /> Generally spend 99% of my time in the middle ring and just use the 22T to bail me out in Wales/Peaks/etc... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488670 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:57:14 +0000 TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR 1488670@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>racing_ralph - Member<br /> Sorted it all </p> <p>24/36 removed, 22/32/44 back on<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>It&#39;s the way forward </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488538 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:18:08 +0000 Dancake 1488538@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Never used the big ring, unless by mistake. Swapped to a 22/36, took a bit out of the chain and fitted a bash for fun.</p> <p>Only becomes a problem on one section on the way to work when I spin out. If I ever need more gears off road, I will be damned chuffed with how I have come on!</p> <p>*actually I dont spin out..just cant be bothered to pedal faster </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488508 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:09:15 +0000 Northwind 1488508@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It&#39;s really pretty simple, as&#39;s been pointed out you lose very little, only the very top gears, due to overlap. You gain ground clearance, which on a lot of trails is very useful, especially for rock steps etc. Also you can improve the chain tension as the range needed is smaller.</p> <p>Not everyone needs a bashring of course, it depends on your bike and your riding but I think more people benefit from getting rid of the big ring than from having it. </p> <p>Just bent mine today <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> It&#39;s only officially on the XC bike as a chain catcher rather than a bashring so I chose a skinny lightweight one, then spent all day at kielder whacking it off things... </p> <p>&quot;djglover - Member</p> <p>99.9% of bashguards are fitted for fashion. Fine on a DB bike but not for XC surely. Why do people fit them to bikes to ride round smooth gravel loops in the woods?? &quot;</p> <p>Obvious troll is obvious. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488339 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:10:24 +0000 racing_ralph 1488339@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Sorted it all <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>24/36 removed, 22/32/44 back on <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488103 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:07:21 +0000 DT78 1488103@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>A bash allows you to get up and over fallen trees, I&#39;ve found trying to do that with a 44 removes a couple of teeth...and yes there is one on my regular loop so I use it minimum twice a week.</p> <p>Also a bash won&#39;t put a cut in your calf that needs 22 stiches!</p> <p>I&#39;m sold. 26/36 on the XC HT and 22/32 on the 6&quot; full sus.</p> <p>Only miss the big ring on the road. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488100 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:06:47 +0000 _tom_ 1488100@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>What length mech cage tho?? </blockquote></p> <p>I think mine&#39;s a long one. Dunno really, it&#39;s a Deore XT or something. Definitely not short though. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488099 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:05:41 +0000 TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR 1488099@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I went for a double and bash on my &#39;06 Enduro and convinced myself it was great and that it was the way forward - especially seeing the big chunks missing out of it.</p> <p>In reality I missed taller gears, so went for a 36t but still span out occassionally. The jump between a 36t and the small granny I tended to use (can&#39;t remember what size) was bloddy big and caused a few problems dropping down.</p> <p>I went for a triple again when I built up the &#39;08 Enduro and haven&#39;t looked back - oh and guess what - no teeth missing.</p> <p>If you want one have one, if you don&#39;t, then don&#39;t - it&#39;s not hard is it, or worth getting exited about really? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1488082 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:58:56 +0000 adam5555 1488082@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I went from triple to double with bash but found I was dropping the chain all the time on fast rocky decents despite having shortened the chain, fitted a med cage rear mech and lowered the front mech so I went to double with bash and chain device. That was fine but having tried a triple again I prefer it. Big ring on the decents keeps the chain on and the gearing suits the speed beter. Its much easier to add a bit of speed with a few turns, double was just too spinny. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487965 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:01:37 +0000 buzz-lightyear 1487965@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t just ride round smooth gravel loops in the woods! The 44 on my TranceX was losing teeth so put a bash on instead. Given that I&#39;m a slow pedaller and avoid roads like the plague, I can&#39;t say I&#39;ve missed the 44. I also have a 22+36+bash on that HT and that&#39;s good too.</p> <p>In reality I&#39;ve only caught the bashes a couple of times and could probably do away with them, but they help keep the chain on. Raceface do some rather lovely anodised cosmetic thin ones - a black one would look nice with all the other anodised Raceface kit on the TranceX.</p> <p>Cosmetic - perhaps, but still not to be sneered at IMO. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487941 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:48:48 +0000 epicsteve 1487941@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been running my Enduro with 2+bash since I got it and it seems to suit it, and I&#39;ve not found the lack of high gears to be a problem. I started with an old Deore with 24/36 but I&#39;m back to an XT with 22/32 as, given the bike is quite heavy, I find the lower gears useful on occasion.</p> <p>I ran my Soul with 2+bash for a while as well and might do so again - it&#39;d suit 24/36 better I think. My Epic and Zion get ridden in the big ring a lot (and pretty much never in the granny) so I don&#39;t think 2+bash would suit them, although I&#39;m tempted to try 28/40 on the Epic. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487927 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:42:28 +0000 steveh 1487927@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I tried double and bash for a while and just didn&#39;t get on with it. I like to push big gears when riding dh and if you do that using the middle chainring and smaller gears on the cassette the chain tension is lower and I kept losing mine. So I went back to 3 rings and fitted MRP XCG bash rings which are quarter sections mounted from the BB. I prefer to have a bash on as it means I don&#39;t have to think about rolling off/over things and worry about catching anything that will dig in. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487865 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:56:06 +0000 khani 1487865@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>if your buying a new slx chainsett its worth noting that the double wont retrofit a 44 ring as he tabs on the arms are slightly different and a file bodge is needed to make it fit, but you can fit an aftermarket bash to a triple slx no probs,and the 36 ring on a double slx isnt a composite one anyway, i got a deore 36 ring and a fsa bash from crc for peanuts and now have a spare 32t composite and a 44t spare for one of the other bikes<br /> worth thinking about if your not sure about a bashring setup and may go back to a triple </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487818 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:25:34 +0000 racing_ralph 1487818@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Al i am currently using 24/36 with an 11/34 cassette and it feel right. Only issue i have is the chain bouncing off on downhills unless its in the middle of the block at the back. I am trying to ascertain a method to stop this. Short cage rear mech/long cage rear mech and bash/double specific front mech or any other combo. Using a double as it is 1 less ring and the ratios hat i want, not fashion. If its was fashion i wouldn&#39;t be riding a Giant!! lol </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487815 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:24:27 +0000 bloodynora 1487815@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>racing_ralph I&#39;m going with a medium cage rear mech with a double specific up front on my new build.... when all the bleedin parts arrive that is <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_evil.gif" title=":evil:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487805 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:19:02 +0000 cynic-al 1487805@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>IMO this really doesnt matter. Most folk have convinced themselves what they think is best, nut it really doesn&#39;t matter for most. How many have injured themselves with a big ring? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487803 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:15:02 +0000 racing_ralph 1487803@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>What length mech cage tho?? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487797 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:09:18 +0000 _tom_ 1487797@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Why do people fit them to bikes to ride round smooth gravel loops in the woods?? </blockquote></p> <p>Stops the chain bouncing off the outside.</p> <p>double + bash is a great setup for me. Never dropped a chain since, it&#39;s actually more reliable than 1x9!</p> <p>And yes a bashring looks better to me than open chainring. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487787 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:59:21 +0000 ooOOoo 1487787@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Wow some strong opinions on this thread...I run a triple + bash so must be a complete freak </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-1487766 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:41:30 +0000 racing_ralph 1487766@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>To resurrect this thread - with a 24/36 setup, is a short cage mech required for chain tension? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-201503 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:38:29 +0000 soobalias 201503@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>never looked back.<br /> 22/36/bash both HT and FS</p> <p>shorter chain, short cage rear mech, front mech aligns better, better ground clearance, spin not mash</p> <p>wears everything more evenly IMO (32/11) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-201418 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:20:10 +0000 stilltortoise 201418@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'm with trailmonkey. If you're always breaking/bending teeth on the outer ring (or getting oil on your chinos!) then get a bash guard. If not, don't bother, but I reckon one day you'll lose/bend a tooth or two...(even you sq225917)</p> <p>Clearly there are lots of people in this post who do ride in the Peaks (me included) who <strong>have </strong>knackered big rings and for them a bashguard <strong>does</strong> make sense. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-194724 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:22 +0000 sq225917 194724@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You'd have to be either blind or out of control to need a bashring in the Peak, Unless you count the two gnarly bits of Wharnecliff as in the peak.</p> <p>Even honking down the Long Causeway path on Stanage Edge you don't need one and that's a real boulder field. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-193897 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:54:52 +0000 PeterPoddy 193897@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Has anyone mentioned that you can ride to the shop without getting oil on your white Levis? That's got to be the main benefit for me.<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>[shudders]<br /> Thinks of MrA in white Levis<br /> [/shudders]</p> <p>Aaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!</p> <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-gone-double-rings-and-bash-guard-and-regretted-it/page/3#post-193882 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:50:02 +0000 ozzybmx 193882@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>What about my chinos ? will they stay clean too <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>