jim en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:08:45 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-3298441 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:53:58 +0000 van cough cough 3298441@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>SRAM X9.</p> <p>All agreed say I.</p> <p>I</p> <p>ii</p> <p>i</p> <p>iiiiii</p> <p>iii</p> <p>iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii</p> <p>Sod Shimano chains at any price, though I do run an XT front mech and SLX chainset. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-3298430 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:51:44 +0000 takisawa2 3298430@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I find SLX "clunky". Not in a bad way, it shifts as quickly &amp; acurately as XT, but there is a "clunk" where XT has a "click". <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-3298137 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:52:07 +0000 swindon jay 3298137@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>.... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-3297991 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:23:45 +0000 Shorty121 3297991@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Aye cheers for weighing all the parts </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2398217 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:12:47 +0000 mboy 2398217@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Well bugger me... Ordered Friday morning, delivered Monday afternoon... From Germany!</p> <p>Time to get it fitted now then... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2394361 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:24:36 +0000 mboy 2394361@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Well, decided on XT in the end, based mainly on the fact that for 10 euros extra I could spec 170mm cranks instead of 175's. Saves me the hassle, as couldn't spec 170s on the SLX group, so would have had to buy another chainset and then sell the 175s...</p> <p>So, very soon my Maverick is gonna have a full 10spd XT group on it (it already has XT brakes), I'll report back when I've ridden it perhaps... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2389524 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:33 +0000 mboy 2389524@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>EG</p> <p>That's brilliant! I wish there was a thank you button to hit several times... Exactly what I wanted to know...</p> <p>Quite interesting to see that in every respect too, 10spd XT seems to have gained some weight over 9, when I thought only the cassette would be any heavier if at all!</p> <p>But 135g difference for the full groupset, when almost half of it is in the cranks, and another quarter is in the cassette, is not a lot to be fair... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2387752 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:36:54 +0000 chakaping 2387752@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Brilliant post EG.</p> <p>Respect is due.</p> <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2387448 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:30:48 +0000 E_G 2387448@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>To answer your more recent question mboy, there is very little difference in weight between SLX and XT for 10-speed.</p> <p>I am in the fortunate position of having both an SLX-10 (M660) and XT-10 (M771) waiting to go onto a frame and for swap-out from SRAM X7/X9 on a new Scott.</p> <p>These are the weights according to my digital kitchen scales (in grams, 5g increments in measurement), in the format item: XT / SLX</p> <p>RH crank inc chainrings, triple: 560 / 605<br /> LH crank: 230 / 235<br /> BB: 100 / 100<br /> Cassette (11/36): 350 / 380<br /> Chain: 275 / 280<br /> Levers &amp; cables (no outers): 300 / 310<br /> Front mech (top swing): 155 / 155<br /> Rear mech (long cage): 245 / 275<br /> Overall difference = 135g (6%). Not much really if XT costs 50% more than SLX.</p> <p>I don't have either SLX or XT brakes to compare weight.</p> <p>The Scott should be with me either next week or early April. The frame, a Karate Monkey, is out of stock until mid April. Neither is going on a bike until then so I can't give a comparison on which feels better, and in any case when built up the bikes have different purposes and will handle differently anyway so a direct comparison will be difficult.</p> <p>GaryLake's suggestion is good, unless the price difference of selling off the SLX shifters and buying XT means that it would be close to the price of getting XT in the first place. Service from Germany (Action Sports) has been great.</p> <p>Hope you find this useful</p> <p>EG </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2386911 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:50:39 +0000 Zoolander 2386911@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Thing is mboy,</p> <p>If you go for the slx, will you always wonder how much better the xt may have been or feel that xt will have looked better. If so go and shell out for the xt - if you are unlikely to be bothered go for the slx and pocket the difference- as there's not going to really be much in it performance wise.<br /> That's the way I summed it up when I had the decision to make - xt wasn't going to make me faster or better at riding but it would have always bugged me if I'd have gone slx. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2386831 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:30:33 +0000 Dickyboy 2386831@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Always amazes me how XT holds it's resale value too <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2386415 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:55:27 +0000 tang 2386415@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>running 9spd rings here no probs, also a wippermann connex chain as it has a connex piece. shimano dont do one and the 10spd sram is a powerlock.<br /> xt looks lusher. get thee to actionsports. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2386139 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:56:40 +0000 chakaping 2386139@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The chainrings are physically closer together on the 10sp cranks BTW. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2386115 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:50:21 +0000 mboy 2386115@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I don't believe you do reggiegasket, I was told that a 10spd chain runs ok on 9spd rings.</p> <p>But I'd want the closer ratios on the front too if I was running a wider range cassette, just makes sense to me.</p> <p>GaryLake, was thinking that might be the way to go... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385267 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:36:20 +0000 reggiegasket 2385267@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>do you have to run 10spd rings on a 10spd setup? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385262 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:35:35 +0000 reggiegasket 2385262@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1</p> <p>Not tried the 10spd kit yet - but considering it - but if you upgrade any drivetrain part then the shifters make the biggest difference IMO.</p> <p>I now run 970 shifters on my 9spd bike and they are brilliant. So light and positive. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385193 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:16:18 +0000 GaryLake 2385193@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Get SLX and sell/upgrade the shifters to XT. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385180 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:13:16 +0000 chakaping 2385180@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I would agree with Tony. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385146 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:02:50 +0000 tony24 2385146@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I would say everything slx is good except the shifters which feel cheap in comparison to xt </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2385064 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:46:50 +0000 mboy 2385064@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>peakprowler, I noticed, but I'd need cranks as well, and though your prices are indeed very good compared to UK RRP, can get a full XT groupset including the cranks for around that price from Germany it would seem...</p> <p>Zoolander, you see I had a quick ride on a bike with full 10spd XT a couple of months ago and was amazed by it too, but I'm thinking that was mainly the 10spd factor too. The SLX 9spd stuff I've ridden (and owned) feels to me every bit as good as XT 9spd, just a tiny bit heavier, and not finished quite as well.</p> <p>damo2576, you are probably absolutely right to a point. Looking at things like Shimano XTR and SRAM XX rear mechs, I can see why they cost more, but a Deore Vs SLX Vs XT... There's probably not very much in it in terms of cost to make, maybe the price difference to us is purely economies of scale (probably make 5 Deore mechs for every XT they sell for instance). I've recently bought a road bike, and was scared that buying a bike with "only Tiagra" would mean it felt rubbish compared to Ultegra or Dura Ace... Doubt I'd notice the difference in use to be honest! I do prefer a nice metal (rather than plastic) thumb button on my MTB shifters though, it does make it feel more satisfying to use...</p> <p>Right, nerd time question now... Anybody know the weight difference between an XT and SLX setup? We're talking cranks, shifters, both mechs, cassette and chain here... What do you reckon? 100 grammes? 200? More? Less? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384849 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:41:52 +0000 Zoolander 2384849@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Just changed from slx 9 speed to xt 10 and the difference is astounding. Partly I'm sure due to it being 10 speed and not 9 of course but I personally feel that the shifters and mech are worth the extra - weather theres a big difference in the cranks and chain/ cassette I don't know - maybe weight but probably not a lot. The whole set up feels great though.<br /> I got mine from action sports as well and can't fault them at all. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384826 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:27:34 +0000 peakprowler 2384826@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>mboy ... I have a new 10speed XT groupset for sale, either complete or individual parts including a full set of chainrings that may be worth a look <a href="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-brand-new-shimano-deore-xt-10-speed-dyna-sys-drivetrain-groupset-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-brand-new-shimano-deore-xt-10-speed-dyna-sys-drivetrain-groupset-2</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384689 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:18:55 +0000 damo2576 2384689@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>The reason Shimano and other brands have ranges such as this is to price discriminate. You have a willingness to pay for a rear mech say, so do I, so does everyone else. By creating a rear mech at various price points they are able to maximise profits by ensuring everyone pays close to their willingness to pay for a rear mech. Of course cost of production is probably very similar for each one in the range hence it really being a tactic to maximise profits.<br /> That's not to say an XT isn't better than an SLX etc, but is it £x better? Only the individual consumer in question decides that. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384614 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:37:05 +0000 mboy 2384614@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I'd have got XT if it was that price when I was buying, but it's down to personal budget innit. SLX is great anyway.</blockquote></p> <p>I'm getting the feeling that despite what I may want to think, SLX really is pretty much as good as XT, just with a slightly more agricultural finish and a tiny weight penalty...</p> <p>Which makes me feel very vain right now! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_redface.gif" title=":oops:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384539 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:35:03 +0000 chakaping 2384539@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'd have got XT if it was that price when I was buying, but it's down to personal budget innit. SLX is great anyway.</p> <p>I really like 10sp - much less front shifting - makes me realise how crap front shifts usually are! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384533 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:31:52 +0000 mboy 2384533@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>cheers chapaking</p> <p>was looking at On One earlier, but then came across the Actionsports site too. Which is why I'm contemplating it at all.</p> <p>New 9spd cassette circa £50<br /> New 9spd chain circa £25<br /> New 9spd rings circa £80</p> <p>Or</p> <p>Complete new 10spd SLX drivetrain for £180!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384521 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:27:07 +0000 chakaping 2384521@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Haven't ridden XT 10sp, but I doubt it would work much different to SLX. Which works very well for me so far btw.</p> <p>Probably just be a bit lighter and have better feeling shifters, like 9sp XT vs SLX.</p> <p>Cheapest I've seen 10sp XT is £250 at Actionsports.de if that helps? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384502 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:20:56 +0000 mboy 2384502@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Anybody? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/10spd-slx-vs-xt#post-2384252 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:26:44 +0000 mboy 2384252@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Who's ridden both SLX and XT 10spd setups?</p> <p>Care to comment on any differences, perceived or otherwise?</p> <p>Would you say XT was worth paying a 50% price premium for if buying a whole new groupset?</p> <p>Interested to know, cos have just been pricing up new chainrings, cassette and a chain for my 9spd XT/XTR setup on one of my bikes, and seen that I could replace the whole lot, lock stock and barrel, for about the same money!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2380115 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:33:15 +0000 kevj 2380115@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>MM tracker, you'll need to get maps from elsewhere but they are stored on your SD card and interfaces perfectly with the gps. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379791 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:14:53 +0000 hillsplease 2379791@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Fabulous - the borg mind of STW comes up trumps again. Thanks all! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379731 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:48:43 +0000 Lifer 2379731@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 for viewranger, buddy beacon is worth it by itself. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379722 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:45:55 +0000 bassspine 2379722@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>alpinequest </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379571 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:53:21 +0000 StirlingCrispin 2379571@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Maverick Pro.<br /> For £3.50 you can cache OS maps onto your SD card.<br /> Sucks batteries but does work.<br /> The free version doesn't do the cacheing.</p> <p>For tracking where I've been I use My Tracks. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379551 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:46:38 +0000 Offpistejon 2379551@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Or Maverick -free </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379544 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:44:25 +0000 scholarsgate 2379544@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>paid; <a href="https://market.android.com/search?q=viewranger&amp;c=apps">viewranger</a><br /> free; <a href="https://market.android.com/details?id=com.androidgamer.osmap&amp;feature=search_result">osmaps</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379538 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:42:14 +0000 bammy 2379538@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Back Country Navigator. Buy it for £6 then download as much of the OS as you want. Tracks well too. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-android-marketplace-gps-thing-please#post-2379535 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:40:09 +0000 hillsplease 2379535@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Must be OS based and tell me where I am - anyone got a recommendation that I can shamelessly take up? </p> <p>Many thanks </p> <p>Paul </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ay-up-grade/page/2#post-1909541 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:00:41 +0000 Mostly Balanced 1909541@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hi Troutie, a couple of questions:</p> <p>Ayup state that they use Cree Xlamp LEDs in the highest flux bin they can get in bulk so is it the change of LED that's giving the increased output or would the change of optics alone give a significant increase?</p> <p>Also, with the introduction of an air cavity into the light will there be a risk of misting on cold nights? Presumably this will be dependant on the humidity when the light is resealed.</p> <p>Many thanks </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ay-up-grade/page/2#post-1906060 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:08:26 +0000 wildrnes 1906060@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Arrived this morning<br /> Thank you so much Mr T<br /> They are much brighter than they used to be, which to be honest is all you need to know, the upgrade makes perfect sense, I have a magic shine/mytinysun/spokeperson light to compare it with which the new ayup easily outperforms. I will be testing them out in anger this week, first test is how long the battery lasts on the commute.</p> <p>Matt </p>