goog en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:23:11 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2747870 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:00:54 +0000 convert 2747870@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We live in a house rented (sort of) from my employer. We are allowed to do quite a bit to the house but didn't want to invest too much cash.</p> <p>We popped a <a href="http://www.esse.com/UK/300.html">Esse 300 inset stove</a> in there as it required virtually no changes to the house. Tiny firebox though so I have to split the wood quite small. No liner was required. There is a new 301 model out with a bigger firebox which would be nice but as it puts out 5kw I think the ventilation rules change. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2747839 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:47:28 +0000 ononeorange 2747839@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Thanks everyone. There's a lot to think about it in there, but I'm getting the sense that a liner is the way to go, which given the state of the roof means we'll have to sadly ditch the wood burner and try to think of something else. The fire angle / insurance is sobering. How else do you keep a cold room warm in winter?! Ideas please.</p> <p>Certainly the first bloke (who recommended the liner) was certified with everyone inlcuding HETAS, not sure about the second. Both said air intakes were fine as fire would be less than 5kW. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746724 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:06:29 +0000 supertramp 2746724@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>PePPeR - good link o section 'J' which was the point i was trying to make, HETAS has to comply to this as does everyone else. Bear in mind the last stove I installed was 2 weeks ago. So my research is pretty up to date. Pleas be careful on this and use a decent fitter! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746570 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:46:01 +0000 PePPeR 2746570@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I do worry when I see pictures of these fireplaces and am quite worried by how people have installed them. </p> <p><a href="http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2010.pdf</a></p> <p>My own brother in law to be has installed a little Aga stove in their house and has fitted no proper Hearth and it goes straight out onto a flammable surface! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746530 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:31:51 +0000 geoffj 2746530@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Iirc Drac of this parish used to make the case for not getting the chimney lined.............until it all went a bit pear shaped.</p> <p>Get it lined. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746445 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:55:48 +0000 timber 2746445@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>smoke bomb it and see if it leaks anywhere<br /> no smoke equals sealed chimney, bung it in with a plate<br /> smoke in the attic, through the walls? line it<br /> cheap liner for 10 year, expensive for 20-25, concrete for longer</p> <p>based on no more than seeing lots of peoples installations as a firewood seller</p> <p>I have an open fire a) because wood grows on trees, b) its a rented place </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746415 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:42:28 +0000 69er 2746415@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Dave thinks steel liners are great!</p> <p><img src="http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/simon_molyneux/P1030011.jpg"> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746382 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:22:26 +0000 LardLover 2746382@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We've got 2 multi fuel stoves. No flue liners, the guy fitted them said they wouldn't be needed. Had the chimney sealed at the pots and loads of smoke bombs put in, no leaks so all's good................. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> <br /> The second one we got fitted this year, last winter the other one was never allowed to go out for about a month. </p> <p>Mmm, toasty (RIP Molly though <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> ):</p> <p><img src="http://i51.tinypic.com/256xypu.jpg"></p> <p>New one just fitted:</p> <p><img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/9k2g4y.jpg"> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746317 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:49:02 +0000 PePPeR 2746317@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Are both the chaps looking at your chimney HETAS registered? </p> <p>The only thing that would involve building regs would be if you had a liner installed, the HETAS man can sign this off without involving building regs, an unregistered HETAS person may be suggesting not to do a lining so as not to get HETAS involved. Oh and a carbon monoxide detector is part of the new installation!</p> <p>Mind you I had three HETAS engineers round to quote for my new stove/back boiler and only one of them bothered to mention the fact that I needed to put a vent in as my fire is going to be over the 5kw limit (14kw actually) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746307 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:46:10 +0000 bedmaker 2746307@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cold stone chimney originally designed for an open fire - fire puts out say 12kw and 9 of those go straight up the chimney, keeping it nice and warm and drawing well.</p> <p>Put a 5kw stove in there and theres probably only 1.2kw going up the chimney as the stove is so efficient at putting heat out to the room. Chimney runs much colder, slow flue gas, condensation, tars form on the inside of the chimney potentially catching fire. Problem is exacerbated by regularly slumbering the stove.<br /> Much more chance of smoking back into the room aswell.</p> <p>Fitting without a liner to see how it goes is fine but not presure testing first is a bit silly, both for you and the installer. If it goes pear shaped the buck stops at him.<br /> Stainless liner is fine for a stove but fit decent 904 rather than 316 grade and insulate it. No need for concrete lining. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746301 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:44:13 +0000 supertramp 2746301@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I 'think' that according to section J of the building regulations it is now 'compulsory' to have a flue liner. Otherwise it will not be HETAS certified. It is worth checking as if anything goes wrong your insurance might not pay out! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746297 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:40:50 +0000 MidlandTrailquestsGraham 2746297@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I've got the front of the fireplace sealed by a steel sheet with a hole in it to suit the pipe out of the back of the stove.<br /> I've never had any trouble with it drawing, as soon as I shut the door it roars away.<br /> It's a bungalow, so the chimney is only about 12' high if that makes a difference.<br /> Every now and then I have a clear out and burn a load of paper. It proper roars then and the flames come out of the top of the chimney. I reckon that burns the creosote off before it accumulates to dangerous levels. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Edit;<br /> <em>"Chimney fires are normally caused due to burning wet/poor quality items..."</em><br /> Once the fire's hot enough, I burn any old rubbish; rotten logs, painted timber, on the fire it goes. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746294 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:37:53 +0000 2hottie 2746294@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>No issues for me, </p> <p>Did a smoke test which passed and installed the stove and had no issues what so ever. Get a liner (if you have too) as the concrete option will me messy and if not done correctly can more problematic in the long run. Also consider the different cowls on the roof (chimney) which can aid with better airflow. </p> <p>Chimney fires are normally caused due to burning wet/poor quality items which leave a residue inside the chimney. Have it swept once twice a year and use decent wood (hardwood with coal) and you'll have a lovely warm room. Our 5kw Morso Squirrel (1412)IIRC, heats the house no problem and we have 3m ceilings through out the property. </p> <p>We also use a Carbon Monoxide meter just for back up. </p> <p>Good luck and enjoy. </p> <p>PS consider if you're in a smoke control zone on the planning/building control section of your local council. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746278 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:30:32 +0000 thekingisdead 2746278@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><em>What's the problem supposed to be ? </em></p> <p>LArger volume cavity, smoke cools, less draw. Creostote soaks into bricks. Chimney fire.</p> <p>THink thats the theory anyway.</p> <p>A flu will help maintain a good draw, getting rid of "the nasty's" into the atmostphere quicker. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746269 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:28:27 +0000 ononeorange 2746269@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>According to the first chap, deposits of something flammable up there owing to the roughness and coolness of the existing chimney which then catch fire. Or something. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746266 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:26:10 +0000 MidlandTrailquestsGraham 2746266@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I've got a log burner straight in to a brick chimney.<br /> What's the problem supposed to be ? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746239 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:15:33 +0000 ononeorange 2746239@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>"Prepares for a flaming... "</p> <p>I suppose there's no smoke without fire! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746218 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:06:23 +0000 Mugboo 2746218@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>My missus insisted on us having a flu liner. Why not try it without and see? Use some of them Carbon monoxide things to see if it's a problem?</p> <p>Prepares for a flaming... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746214 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:05:54 +0000 mastiles_fanylion 2746214@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We were advised around 8-10 years for flue, 15-20 for concrete so went for the concrete option - cost about half as much again as the flue. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746203 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:02:48 +0000 ononeorange 2746203@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>M_F - that surprises me as the buggers are really expensive. But that is going to need a roof visit, I'm sure...... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746194 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:00:26 +0000 mastiles_fanylion 2746194@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Flue liners generally don't last long with stoves - if you plan on being there a while pay the extra for a concrete lining. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wood-burning-stoves-1#post-2746175 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:52:11 +0000 ononeorange 2746175@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Our front room gets really cold in winter (it has high ceilings). I tried converting the utterly useless gas fire last year to an open coal fire but that has been pretty useless too. So I have had some quotes for a wood burner. Right.</p> <p>First one insists on using a flue liner and / or doing a pressure test. Second one is far more relaxed and suggests putting in a flap above the burner and sweeping the chimney regularly. Is the second chap right - is this generally OK or is there a much greater risk of chimney fires / the world stopping turning?</p> <p>The reason I ask is that the roof is in such poor condition we can't have anyone going up on it. It needs doing but trying to eke it out a bit longer. Builder has very strongly advised letting no-one near it (and I trust him). That means a flue liner isn't going to happen.</p> <p>Any views on flue liners gratefully received. Thanks. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2327197 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:48:32 +0000 skiboy 2327197@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>That's mental ! When he drops off those ramps my head totally goes with it !! </p> <p>He nails it , excellent post </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2327039 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:04:30 +0000 clareymorris 2327039@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Absolutely enthralling - the one with gee Atherton is great as he and his brother ride down and heis commentating!</p> <p>Crazy!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2326991 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:51:23 +0000 BoardinBob 2326991@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Not quite in the same league</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NXIzKej4C8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NXIzKej4C8</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2326957 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:44:56 +0000 atlaz 2326957@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Scarborough had one too if I remember correctly. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2326707 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:43:12 +0000 djglover 2326707@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> there anywhere in the UK where this could happen?</blockquote></p> <p>They have happened. I did the one in Bridgenorth 4 or 5 years ago</p> <p>GREAT vid OP </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2326043 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:57:37 +0000 RealMan 2326043@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Great video, great post. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2326042 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:57:19 +0000 cheez0 2326042@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Is there anywhere in the UK where this <u><em>could</em></u> happen?</p> <p>Near me, theres perhaps Ilfracombe or Lynton/Lynmouth </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325986 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:37:26 +0000 brooess 2325986@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Glad to have brought some joy to the STW world <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> <br /> That vid shot from the sidelines suggests they're running wide bars. Double Gnarly! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325952 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:27:32 +0000 matt_outandabout 2325952@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325783 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:39:35 +0000 Pauly 2325783@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Brilliant linkage. +10 internets for the OP. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325747 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:29:07 +0000 LeeW 2325747@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>What tyres for Brazilian slum downhill? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325721 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:22:52 +0000 rustler 2325721@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Clearly some very serious health &amp; safety infringments going on there. I'm going to suggest an audit. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>Ace. Simply ace.<br /> Reminds me of jumping my Chopper off the Post-office steps in Lichfield shopping precint, &amp; nearly going through the MEB shop window. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325658 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:01:50 +0000 retro83 2325658@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cool. I like this one too, it's Gee Atherton in a favella in Brazil<br /> [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56kJ99AvfoI[/video]</p> <p>And a bit filmed from the sidelines:<br /> [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SbDNkSKl8w[/video] </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325606 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:45:28 +0000 Wookster 2325606@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>8O. Wow how amazing!!! Makes me bottling the 3 ft drop yesterday seem even worse!!!! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325585 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:35:26 +0000 backhander 2325585@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Brilliant, great link OP. Imagine trying to do that in the UK. The HSE would shoot you in the face for even thinking about it! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325333 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:32:19 +0000 tom84 2325333@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>the bit at 2.20 where it's not entirely obvious where he should be going until he flies off that ledge on the left, sheesh!</p> <p>don't think it is as good as the insane brian lopes whistler vid though. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325302 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:23:02 +0000 Omar Little 2325302@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>great video and great riding...no margin for error at all there </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nice-piece-of-urban-downhill#post-2325080 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0000 budgierider67 2325080@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I think thats the best helmet cam footage I'v ever seen</blockquote></p> <p>Totally agree! </p>