flatfish en-US Tue, 29 May 2012 10:01:54 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there/page/2#post-3110008 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:22:27 +0000 stumpyjon 3110008@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Bad drivers / bad cyclists, not a lot will change until we take road safety from all angles seriously and that isn't going to happen until some othe recent stupidity with road design is reversed (inappropriate speed reductions, traffic aclming etc.), a mssive increase in enforcement and much more draconian punishments for cyclists and other road users a like. As none of that is going to happen the carnage will continue, the best you can do make yourself aware.</p> <p>On a related note I've in cardiff for a few days and the number of people riding bikes atrociously (I don't class them as cyclists, no helmet, complete disregard for the rules, BSO) has rather shocked me. Loads of cyclists on the roads around where I live but I don't see quite the same level of blatent stupidity, maybe inner city riding brings out the worst in people.</p> <p>Condolences to the family of the lady killed, at least the police weem to be taking it seriously, lets hope every one esle involved does as well. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there/page/2#post-3109966 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:07:14 +0000 fourbanger 3109966@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>RIP. Bad news.</p> <p><blockquote>(usually issued a ticket that is cancelled if a receipt for lights is issued).</blockquote><br /> Bang on. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109874 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:16:06 +0000 crazy-legs 3109874@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Samuri wasn't implying that the poor cyclist was at fault. His comment about mandatory cycle training is to do with the idea that ALL drivers should be made to ride a bike before they're given a driving license so they can appreciate just how dangerous it can be out there on a bike.</p> <p>Maybe it would help reduce the "I pay for the roads" nonsense and the continued perception of cyclists as second class citizens.</p> <p>RIP, another tragic and needless death. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":-(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109412 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:58:54 +0000 TurnerGuy 3109412@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> Bit perturbed by the people who seem to be suggesting it was the woman's fault in some way. </blockquote></p> <p>cheap shot - in fact no one has suggested this - someone pointed out the statistics that show a higher rate of these types of incident with female riders, that's all. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109406 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:54:49 +0000 soobalias 3109406@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>RIP unknown rider</p> <p>chatting last night and saying how oxford is so much safer to ride than my home town, due to the number of people out on bikes. Unfortunately this goes to show that its still dangerous. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109404 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:52:56 +0000 Sue_W 3109404@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>DezB +1</p> <p>Not particularly impressed with the repeated assumption that because she was a female cyclist she was at fault - would there be the same reaction if it was a male cyclist?</p> <p>Above all, it is a terrible, tragic loss of a young woman. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109336 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:25:59 +0000 Lady Gresley 3109336@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I've no idea who was to blame in this incident but by taking everyone, sticking them on a bike when they're at school and making them understand hwo to deal with hazards on a bike and understand what it's like to be a cyclist will guaranteed save lives.</p> <p>Obviously there's a recession on so thst's not important</blockquote><br /> I think you'll find all Local Authorities do offer Bikeability training in schools.<br /> Greater Manchester, Merseyside and Warrington (and no doubt other areas) also offer FREE adult cycle training too. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109296 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:53 +0000 DezB 3109296@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Very sad. Bit perturbed by the people who seem to be suggesting it was the woman's fault in some way. The driver has been arrested for dangerous driving... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3109249 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:41:52 +0000 project 3109249@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>but has probably a lot more expereince than a 21 year old just passed his LCV test, and allowed legally on the road with little experience of driving.</p> <p>The cememt mixer that fell on the train recently the driver had just qualified a few weeks before, but there was negligence by the local council to do with signage as well.</p> <p>more details at raib.gov.uk </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108931 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:59:24 +0000 hora 3108931@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>A 74yr old holds a commercial driving licence? </p> <p>Sorry that is blatantly wrong. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108909 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:37:24 +0000 jonah tonto 3108909@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>so sad, people become complacent about the tonnes of steel they are hurtling about the place and from our side just how vulnerable we are. +1 the comment on the darkness at this time of year, i know there are alot of coppers on here and if you see me on the pavement this time of year it because im scared not cos im a thoughtless ****. thoughts to the family <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108885 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:39:04 +0000 samuri 3108885@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How terribly sad. Why can't we start mandatory cycling proficiency again? With up to date training on how to deal with modern hazards?</p> <p>I've no idea who was to blame in this incident but by taking everyone, sticking them on a bike when they're at school and making them understand hwo to deal with hazards on a bike and understand what it's like to be a cyclist will guaranteed save lives.</p> <p>Obviously there's a recession on so thst's not important. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108794 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:33:14 +0000 Dancake 3108794@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Terrible news. </p> <p>i was overtaken by an Artic the other day. The vehicle came up behind me, moved to the inside lane of a roundabout, passed me and <strong>made me jump onto the kerb to avoid being caught by his trailer as he moved back off the roundabout.</strong></p> <p>British Plates, 5.45 AM. Bet the driver didnt have a clue. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108792 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:31:57 +0000 nich3000 3108792@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I'm female. For years I used to ride to work (work at home now). I once went on the inside of a <u>very</u> big lorry at a red light. When the lights turned green, off we went. It was obviously the first the lorry-driver had seen of me and he beeped his horn, lots, as I set off. I felt very very stupid and I have never done it again <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_redface.gif" title=":oops:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> Reading about the number of people killed in London over the last yr by lorries I realise now how extremely lucky, unaware and dumb I was. Unassertive? I dunno, but I definitely ride more aggressively (and sensibly) now. Lesson learnt. Perhaps some education needs to be aimed at cyclists not just lorry drivers. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108767 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:23:29 +0000 el_boufador 3108767@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 turnerguy </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108064 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:26:17 +0000 takisawa2 3108064@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Poor lass. Condolences to her family. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108034 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:18:22 +0000 TurnerGuy 3108034@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> God knows why?</blockquote></p> <p>I often see women cyclists edging up on the inside of a lorry or big vehicle at traffic lights, but very gingerly and they don't push in front of them, they stay to the side, right in their blind spot probably. </p> <p>Either push through and then out in front of the lorry if sure the lights aren't about to change, or stay behind.</p> <p>they are not assertive enough</p> <p>there is also a problem when the vehicle is occupying the cycle box, as often happens (with buses as well). </p> <p>I have seen a d*ckhead policeman giving out fines to cyclists who have stopped in front of the cycle box, having crossed the junction line, but ignoring the lorry that had taken up 80% of the cycle box - said it was not an issue when we challenged him. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3108007 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:07:00 +0000 crashtestmonkey 3108007@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>A woman in her 30s has just been knocked off her bike and killed by a cement lorry just down the road from where I work in Oxford. On my daily commute route.</blockquote></p> <p>It was my team that had to deal with this, including assisting the paramedics by giving CPR in the back of the ambulance. Shouldn't say too much as it's an ongoing investigation, suffice to say I believe the arrest to be very well justified-we don't arrest as a matter of routine.</p> <p>Today was a day of serious accidents, there were 4 in the space of a couple of hours, and I believe another one of those involved a cyclist who luckily this time survived.</p> <p>A heads-up. The clocks go back this weekend. Every year at this time we have an operation clamping down on cyclists without lights (usually issued a ticket that is cancelled if a receipt for lights is issued). This year will be no exception. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3107971 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:51:05 +0000 grtdkad 3107971@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>...and I'd bet my house that the 74-yr old driver involved today wishes he had hung up his keys last week rather than having a death on his conscience to the end of his days ! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cyclist-killed-just-near-my-office-be-careful-out-there#post-3107948 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:41:27 +0000 brakes 3107948@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>disproportionate amount of female cyclists killed by skip lorries, tipper trucks and cement trucks.<br /> I'd say it was a compound issue because those types of vehicle are often driven by dicks in a rush and for the reasons MrsToast gives above (although I see the same proportion of females RLJing - more about awareness if you ask me) </p>