filthy en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:53:19 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378821 Sun, 02 May 2010 21:05:38 +0000 kaesae 1378821@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>kenneththecurtain</p> <p>Yeah but when you lock eyes with someone you know. You can see the recognition in their eyes. A lot of drivers have that vacant look when they are day dreaming and you always have to look out for it.</p> <p>The look they give when they&#39;re trying it on is different, there is a calculation to it. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378819 Sun, 02 May 2010 21:05:37 +0000 Talkemada 1378819@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>...I only mention it because sometimes there&#39;s a man... I won&#39;t say a hero, &#39;cause, what&#39;s a hero? But sometimes, there&#39;s a man. And I&#39;m talkin&#39; about the Dude here. Sometimes, there&#39;s a man, well, he&#39;s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that&#39;s the Dude, in Scotchland. ... But sometimes there&#39;s a man, sometimes, there&#39;s a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I&#39;ve done introduced him enough.</blockquote></p> <p>Amen to that.</p> <p>Kaesaeeeeee rocks. </p> <p>He&#39;s keepin&#39; the Forum alive.</p> <p>Allow it. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378806 Sun, 02 May 2010 21:02:52 +0000 kaesae 1378806@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>kevevs<br /> not sure if I should thank you! or tell you to **** off. So I won&#39;t say anything, except what I just did.</p> <p>As for the rest of you, are you saying that although reckless endangerment, occurs in every major city in the country it does not occur in Edinburgh. Even if it did occur in this city it would not and could not occur in my presence and therefore I must be paraniod that everyone is out to get me!</p> <p>Considering that every major and well known crime occurs in this city.</p> <p><a href="http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&amp;q=cyclist+attacked+edinburgh&amp;meta=&amp;aq=&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=cyclist+attacked+edinburgh&amp;gs_rfai=&amp;fp=bf68c2089a1e444a" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&amp;q=cyclist+attacked+edinburgh&amp;meta=&amp;aq=&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=cyclist+attacked+edinburgh&amp;gs_rfai=&amp;fp=bf68c2089a1e444a</a></p> <p>Hard to believe that reckless endangerment doesn&#39;t or that it&#39;s impossible for it to occur when I&#39;m about.</p> <p>So in summation, you should turn the other cheek, whilst wildly jesticulating with your fingers. Hopefully not spraining them in the process.</p> <p>However you should not under any circumstances give @ssholes some of their own medicine and confront them, as not being a victim is bad because you will become part of a viscious cycle that will eventually destroy the planet. OK a bit much, you will however have to fight in the street to the death, considering all the hand bag swingers on this site, that I would like to see. Or alternatively take medicine for paranoia because. THERE ARE NO @SSHOLES WHO OWN CARS IN EDINBURGH? Drug dealers, rapists, murderers, and god only knows what else. BUT NO @SSHOLES?</p> <p>If you think there are you&#39;re mad and even if their where the best course of action would be to sign f@ck you and then cycle of presenting the perfect target and opportunity for said @ HOLES to decorate their bonnet with your dumb finger gesticulating @ss!</p> <p>Does that about sum your evaluation of the situation up? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378759 Sun, 02 May 2010 20:53:49 +0000 kenneththecurtain 1378759@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It can be difficult to know if someone really has seen you though. </p> <p>I don&#39;t ride on the road much, used to ride bikes of the motor variety though. Sometimes you would think someone was looking right at you as they were about to pull out. Then they would pull out, having been looking straight through you without seeing.. </p> <p>Got very good at reading people&#39;s faces, quite a few near misses like that. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378606 Sun, 02 May 2010 20:19:26 +0000 Kevevs 1378606@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Way out North there was this fella... fella I wanna tell ya about. Fella by the name of Kasaeaeaee. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. Mr. Kasaeaeaee, he called himself &quot;The Dude&quot;. Now, &quot;Dude&quot; - that&#39;s a name no one would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Dude that didn&#39;t make a whole lot of sense. And a lot about where he lived, likewise. But then again, maybe that&#39;s why I found the place so darned interestin&#39;.</p> <p>...I only mention it because sometimes there&#39;s a man... I won&#39;t say a hero, &#39;cause, what&#39;s a hero? But sometimes, there&#39;s a man. And I&#39;m talkin&#39; about the Dude here. Sometimes, there&#39;s a man, well, he&#39;s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that&#39;s the Dude, in Scotchland. ... But sometimes there&#39;s a man, sometimes, there&#39;s a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I&#39;ve done introduced him enough. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378502 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:59:11 +0000 kaesae 1378502@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You may be right, but if someone looks right at me we lock eyes and then they decide to pull out in front of me, giving me two options hit them or brake/swerve. I tend to go for hit them.</p> <p>Or at least I have in the past, as for people being out to get me! we have heard quite a few stories on here about people being deliberately hit or harrased are we to believe that in Edinburgh this kind of thing doesn&#39;t happen at all? and that in 13 years of cycling in the city the possibility of me coming across it and being effected by it are impossible?</p> <p>I see your point but I still disagree, on several occasions people have intentionally used their cars to try and intimidate me, I&#39;m not a novice cyclist or paranoid if I say something unlike most people it is because I believe it. Not everyone I meet tries it on, as I have said the incidents are few considering how many times I&#39;ve been out on my bike riding. But they do still happen on a regular basis and a lot of cyclist get injured or worse each year due to the attitude of a lot of drivers. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378439 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:45:46 +0000 pitduck 1378439@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>don`t you just love the middle class <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378436 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:45:15 +0000 landy813 1378436@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Did the driver have a dog with its head out the window that just happened to look like it was going to bite you too? <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_razz.gif" title=":P" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378389 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:34:07 +0000 AlasdairMc 1378389@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I ride a lot in Edinburgh every day too, and have never had any issues like those you speak of.</p> <p>Do you drive too? I find doing both helps in that you can anticipate moves the driver will make.</p> <p>Part of me thinks you&#39;re partly to blame and should consider the way you ride, how you position yourself and so on. Be assertive but not aggressive, aggression will get you nowhere other than hospital. I&#39;m surprised that after your supposed criminal damage to cars that someone hasn&#39;t decked you yet, personally I think you&#39;d deserve it if you maliciously damaged a car because your skewed world view makes you think that everyone is out to get you. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378387 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:33:50 +0000 kaesae 1378387@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Karinofnine</p> <p>The london underground rail network when you see people crammed in, very scary! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378369 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:29:21 +0000 kaesae 1378369@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>hels</p> <p>Smashed a few idiots in my time but never been charged with smashing a car. To be honest I didn&#39;t think you could get charged with assault on a car? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378342 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:21:55 +0000 Taff 1378342@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I got run off the road by a white van man when I was living in Plymouth. Was with a large group who caught up with him when he weaved to try and knock another off to which one guy retaliated by denting the back panel. He spat in one guys face to which another mate somehow got hold of his keys and threw them in a field. Worst experience for me really as left quite shaken up and didn&#39;t enjoy what was planned to be an awesome ride.</p> <p>Had episodes in Portsmouth where cars have been very close to hitting me on a work commute but to be fair moat have apologised but some of the back roads I have to ride on are very narrow and busy </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378324 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:17:07 +0000 Karinofnine 1378324@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I accept that drivers, and in fact all humans, make mistakes, lose concentration etc. Fair enough. I make mistakes when I drive too.</p> <p>What bothers me is the deliberate bad driving of bus and taxi drivers. It IS deliberate, they drive past you and pull in to a stop on top of you. That&#39;s really annoying because it&#39;s bullying. When I pull them on it, they just shrug their shoulders - they know exactly what they&#39;ve done. I complain about it and get the same reply &quot;We have spoken to the driver and have decided to take no further action&quot;. Are they going to wait until a cyclist gets killed? Will they &quot;take further action&quot; then I wonder?</p> <p>Having said that, I&#39;ve never damaged anyone&#39;s car - I have offered the driver out once or twice tho...</p> <p>Oh yes nearly forgot, it&#39;s not just cyclists - drivers in London cut each other up too. No one here has time to live, every nano-second is precious, every inch of road must be fought and won, every day. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378311 Sun, 02 May 2010 19:12:31 +0000 hels 1378311@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Kaesae - did I interview you for a job once ?? The job needed a disclosure form and the applicant hands his over. It had an assault listed so I had to ask - it was for smashing up a car while out on the bike !! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378177 Sun, 02 May 2010 18:41:59 +0000 kaesae 1378177@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Hey. I am reasonably calm to be honest. On top of that I have the unique ability to alter my state of consciousness. I simply leave all the crap behind me when I walk away from it.</p> <p>Don&#39;t carry arguments about and tend to laugh at most things. But in the moments when people pull sh1t like that, I tend to always be looking to teach them a lesson. I&#39;m very giving that way.</p> <p>I do however bear the fact in mind that they have a car and it can be used as an effective weapon!</p> <p>Looking back over the last 13 years of cycling and asking if I could respond differently would I have.</p> <p>Not a Fu King chance, had it coming and recieved it in full.</p> <p>That said I am a responsible business person, so I would probably give people a little bit extra leeway if it happend today! </p> <p>ridefree! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1378048 Sun, 02 May 2010 18:05:12 +0000 hels 1378048@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Scaredypants - post of the week !</p> <p>Kaesae - I used to get annoyed at drivers when I started road cycling, but would get to work really stressed etc etc. Many years of playing in the traffic have learned me some defensive manouevres, and to accept the fact that they are in two tons on metal and you are in about 500gm of lycra, which protects you about as much as righteous indignation. </p> <p>Keep calm and assume they are all trying to kill you, it really helps. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377991 Sun, 02 May 2010 17:49:22 +0000 hitman 1377991@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>wrong forum? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377972 Sun, 02 May 2010 17:41:31 +0000 kaesae 1377972@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yeah good points. A lot of people in Edinburgh are cool. A lot more @ssholes than there where 5 or even 3 years ago though.</p> <p>There are also quite a few malicious drivers about, even driving my car I see loads of them. Bus and taxi drivers can be real scum bags.</p> <p>I guess well just have to wait and see what other road users have experienced. Like I said the incidents aren&#39;t every ride but they do seem to occur more than I would like!</p> <p>And it does really piss me of when they look right at you and pull out laughing or smirking. Maybe it&#39;s just the odd helmets and shinies I tend to ware and the fact that they don&#39;t realize under the gear is an actual person!</p> <p>Or maybe their too distracted by my appearance to consider the fact that if they pull out right infront of me expecting me to stop, I might just not as said armour/outfit will after all protect me!</p> <p>I will think about it later on, however for now I still think that if they look right at you and pull straight out in front of you intentionally, it&#39;s upto you if you stop or not! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377922 Sun, 02 May 2010 17:28:50 +0000 west kipper 1377922@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Well, changing things like say, your road positioning can make a massive difference to the way other road users react to you, for instance, not riding in the very edge of the road can mean the driver sees you earlier. Stuff like that.<br /> Aye, you still get the odd choob doing something daft, but very few drivers are actually malicious, and doing a bit of pre-emptive thinking for them helps avoid incidents in the first place. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377898 Sun, 02 May 2010 17:21:40 +0000 kaesae 1377898@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>west kipper </p> <p>Hey. I don&#39;t find it happening all the time, but it did happen a fair bit when I used to cycle a lot. I&#39;ve only been out cycling for a week and one day and some driver coming out of asda pulled out almost right into me. Didn&#39;t seem to see me at all, luckily I have incorporated and perfected the wave with one hand and whistle no hander, how&#39;s that for riding skills.</p> <p>These incidents are fairly rare, however they are becoming more common.</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1930961.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1930961.stm</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/comment/vince-yearley-why-does-the-uk-rack-up-so-many-bike-accidents-453549.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/comment/vince-yearley-why-does-the-uk-rack-up-so-many-bike-accidents-453549.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=cycling+accidents+in+britain&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=&amp;fp=4df61cf27fc448d4" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=cycling+accidents+in+britain&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=&amp;fp=4df61cf27fc448d4</a></p> <p>This thread is about losing the rag at drivers that try to bully you on the roads.</p> <p>When I was younger I was a bit of a do unto others as they rider. Maybe the next time something happens I will be less agro and simply let the motorist in question get away with it and believe doing it is fine.</p> <p>Maybe not though as I believe it would be a bad idea to capitulate to inconsiderate or beligerent behaviour that is dangerous to cyclists.</p> <p> As for improving my riding skills. How exactly will improving my riding skills change the mentality of drivers in this country and enable them to be more considerate of cyclists</p> <p>Same question I asked earlier on really, if they have nothing to lose and there are no consiquences for their actions? why would they change thier behaviour and what is to stop them acting in a reckless or dangerous way towards cyclists? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377834 Sun, 02 May 2010 17:01:37 +0000 west kipper 1377834@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Kaesae,(and I&#39;m not saying that things are your fault here) have you thought about maybe looking into some cycle training?, at least to get a second opinion on things you could do better (most of us are doing something less than perfectly)<br /> I cycle a fair bit in Edinburgh and honestly dont find other road users to be bad there at all- quite the reverse, I tend to chill out once past Barnton. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt/page/2#post-1377827 Sun, 02 May 2010 16:59:38 +0000 kaesae 1377827@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>PlumzRichard</p> <p>They believe we are fair game and that there will be no consiquences. Had you not damaged the car and gave the pr1ck a reason to back off! what would have happend?</p> <p>Then again maybe you should have calmly let him run you off the road to let him see that cyclist are good people, by attacking a defenceless car all you do is escalate the problem, genius!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377796 Sun, 02 May 2010 16:48:21 +0000 PlumzRichard 1377796@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I had a car that was trying to push me into a ditch in the side of the road and he wouldnt stop. So a firm punch to his wind mirror sent that flying! follwed by a kick to his car door!<br /> Witness after the incident said to me that they thought the driver was trying to run me over.<br /> So is this wrong in the eyes of STW ? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377743 Sun, 02 May 2010 16:31:53 +0000 singletrackmind 1377743@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>When you can be a winner! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377687 Sun, 02 May 2010 16:14:55 +0000 kaesae 1377687@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>singletrackmind</p> <p>Thanks for the input. From now on I will try and stay focused on being nice to people who are complete @ssholes, Starting from now on! I hope you have had a good weekend.</p> <p>I will also try and stay focused on the real important issues. Unlike road safety and drivers not really seeing cyclists as people at all or as road users with rights either.</p> <p>As for defending yourself from phsycho dogs. why waste your time discussing another issue that doesn&#39;t matter when there are serious matters to be discussed.</p> <p><a href="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-my-collegue-a-closet-gheyer" rel="nofollow">http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-my-collegue-a-closet-gheyer</a></p> <p>Truth be told I&#39;ve mellowed out in my old age and I&#39;m not sure that if someone does much me about any more I would be nasty to them.</p> <p>Then again I just might and anyone that does, good on you!</p> <p> Why be a victim?</p> <p>.<br /> .</p> <p>.</p> <p>.<br /> .<br /> .</p> <p>..<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .</p> <p>.<br /> ..<br /> .</p> <p>.<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .</p> <p>.</p> <p>.<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> .<br /> . </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377530 Sun, 02 May 2010 15:03:13 +0000 singletrackmind 1377530@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Kaesae.<br /> If maybe you spent more time on bike, rather than spending all day , every day being a knob , then you would not have so many issues.<br /> I do not know if it is because you are an urban keyboard warrior, who feels the need to rant and rage and express himself on the internet, or maybe you had a difficult childhood. Maybe in person you may be perfectly sensible and level headed , but the willy waving and rantings of a teenager whose hormone imbalance is seriously effecting his judgement is frankly getting tiresome.<br /> Now jog on , its the weekend , get off your laptop and go out and actually ride your bike, rather than just pretending to . </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377516 Sun, 02 May 2010 14:56:13 +0000 pitduck 1377516@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>+1 op <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_confused.gif" title=":?" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377460 Sun, 02 May 2010 14:31:12 +0000 tonyg2003 1377460@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>5 and half hours off road this morning. Completely stress free. Half a mile of road to get home and in the first 200yds a women in a renault drives up indicates left and almost wipes me out by turning in on me. Not a clue what she was thinking off but it was a sour end to a epic ride. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377452 Sun, 02 May 2010 14:27:59 +0000 kaesae 1377452@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Not giving way is a pain, it&#39;s people pulling out right in front of you when they see you or intentionally hitting/clipping you I tend to get nasty about. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377411 Sun, 02 May 2010 14:07:52 +0000 zaskar 1377411@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>On my way to Bristol city centre or to work, cut up, not giving way etc.</p> <p>Also wave thanks to drivers giving way when they don&#39;t need to or me letting someone out etc.</p> <p>Try not to look for negatives?</p> <p>Just focus on my destination with a smile. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377352 Sun, 02 May 2010 13:34:13 +0000 kaesae 1377352@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Odd seems people all over the place are having problems while out biking except you riders.</p> <p><a href="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cycling-revenge-stories#post-1377323" rel="nofollow">http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cycling-revenge-stories#post-1377323</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tits" rel="nofollow">http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tits</a></p> <p>No doubt you&#39;ll be able to go over and tell them exactly what you just told me with such vehemence. After all you wouldn&#39;t want to be guilty of cheap shot hypocrisy!</p> <p>I will look forward to you explaining it to them, or maybe not as there does seem to be more than one of them and even odds aren&#39;t really your style!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377287 Sun, 02 May 2010 12:58:55 +0000 Junkyard 1377287@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Beliefs are more important than flowery theories that don&#39;t work in<br /> practice.</blockquote><br /> you believe aggresive and poor drivijng will be solved by greater violence on the part of the victim? I am sure driving standards would improve if everyone just shot every driver who annoyed them/did not follow the highway code? I will put away my law abiding jesticualting self and ****t any mother fecker who annoys me now when I cycle that will teach em so I am told. Reclaim the roads with greater violence fellow cyclists now who is with me and kaesae?<br /> <blockquote>Yes it could lead to violence and some times does</blockquote><br /> I do hope the fight does not make you late for the intensive physio on your bad back that leaves you unable to stand for more than few hours. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377272 Sun, 02 May 2010 12:49:37 +0000 thebikechain 1377272@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>We all ride around Edinburgh everyday and even drive if needs be.</p> <p>None of us seem to have anywhere near the trouble you get... odd.</p> <p>What parts of town are you finding you have to go militant in? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377256 Sun, 02 May 2010 12:39:01 +0000 kaesae 1377256@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Junkyard<br /> Beliefs are more important than flowery theories that don&#39;t work in<br /> practice.</p> <p>We&#39;re not talking about a car inching out to improve it&#39;s field of view or day to day driving necessities, we&#39;re discussing people with a frame of mind that believe bullying cyclist is acceptable.</p> <p>To do as you say and encourage them to believe that, is to me unnaceptable. The damage is being caused by their actions and inconsiderate behaviour. </p> <p>If a driver who has clearly looked at me then decides to pull out in my path and I then ram into thier car, who&#39;s fault is that?</p> <p>If I had stopped they would simply continue in that behaviour pattern and do it to every cyclist that comes along, believing it acceptable and having no consiquences. If however they come to understand that if they do that there will be consiquences, will they be inclined to do it again?</p> <p>Yes it could lead to violence and some times does. However defending your right to go about your business and not encouraging that kind of behaviour in my opinion is more likely to work. Than reinforcing their view point that it is not only acceptable but beneficial to do so.</p> <p>Since you have taken it to the extreme and said</p> <p>If they reat to that O assume you just have to keep[over] reacting more than them till you are fighting with weapons to the death?</p> <p>though some of that statement is clearly incomprehensible I get the meaning, I think!</p> <p>What is the extreme in this case of my argument, what if drivers simply ignored cyclist all together and pulled out every time they came along?</p> <p>If I choose to stop or not is my choice, if the driver hasn&#39;t seen me and has simply been lapsed in their concentration, then fair enough, I can day dream myself when driving at times.</p> <p>If they have intentionaly chosen to deny me my rights as a road user and decided to treat me unfairly, then I believe it is more important to inforce my rights than it is to respect their property. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377204 Sun, 02 May 2010 12:10:32 +0000 Junkyard 1377204@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>that actions have consequences! you are simply encouraging them to be inconsiderate and enforcing the belief that cyclist are fair game!</blockquote><br /> yes clearly your way of breaking the law and causing criminal damages - I assume you think this action has positively conributed to the bad drivers respect of cyclists- is the way forward. If they reat to that O assume you just have to keep[over] reacting more than them till you are fighting with weapons to the death?<br /> Do you really think that damaging cars will improve driving? Why not ram every car than inches out a junction in your own car as well that will show them! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377191 Sun, 02 May 2010 12:04:39 +0000 bassspine 1377191@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t give an inch. In fact in my job I sometimes have to put myself deliberately in front of a car that is about to endanger my pupils. </p> <p>But I do it with a big smile and a thumbs up. It&#39;s far more annoying to the road hogs than criminal damage </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377145 Sun, 02 May 2010 11:48:47 +0000 kaesae 1377145@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>If you allow drivers to provoke you and start gesticulating and simply confirm for them that they have indead provoked you.</p> <p>If you do not send a message on every occasion that you can, that actions have consequences! you are simply encouraging them to be inconsiderate and enforcing the belief that cyclist are fair game!</p> <p>My way isn&#39;t perfect, but it&#39;s a lot better than not standing upto road hogs that use their cars size to bully cyclists. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377140 Sun, 02 May 2010 11:47:38 +0000 Junkyard 1377140@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I feel it is my obligation to respond in a fashion that not only fits the circumstances but that will also help them understand not to muck cyclists about</blockquote><br /> really I believe there are chaps out there who feel the need to hit people, including ladies, who have direspected/annoyed them. Most people think these people are agressive violent thugs<br /> <blockquote>My theory is that I should swerve or move as little as possible to avoid them</blockquote><br /> you dont though you deliberately hit them<br /> <blockquote>most drivers see cyclist as an easy or soft target. They would be far less likely to try and bully someone if they believed they would meet resistance or be challenged</blockquote><br /> well yes if every minor trafic infringement led to a violent confrontation they probably would but it seems like an overreaction.<br /> Ride the orad accept some car drivers are c0cks and just look after yourself without getting aggresive.<br /> I get as much bad driving in a car as I do on my bike it is just a drop in driving standards /consideration. We all get angry but your seems a bit OTT. Jestiulating does nothing I agree, but it is still a better choice than criminal damage. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377090 Sun, 02 May 2010 11:28:43 +0000 kaesae 1377090@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>bassspine</p> <p>I disagree, most drivers see cyclist as an easy or soft target. They would be far less likely to try and bully someone if they believed they would meet resistance or be challenged. </p> <p>If they believe the car will be damaged if they try it on will they be less or more likely to try it on?</p> <p>I&#39;m not saying kick the car or jump up and down on the bonnet, if I choose to position my pedals in the middle of a manuever to avoid hitting a car that is intentionaly pulling out in front of me, so that said pedals scrape the bumper or bonnet. Is that not a subtle but fair warning?</p> <p>If the do nothing but put up with drivers behaviour approach was going to work, it would have by now, would it not?</p> <p>Cyclist have been putting up with sh1t for years!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bike-rage-aarrgghhh-anyone-else-get-annoyed-when-a-nice-calm-ride-gets-spoilt#post-1377079 Sun, 02 May 2010 11:24:06 +0000 kaesae 1377079@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yes I have deliberately inflicted damage on cars, not often but when some tosser needs to back off! My theory is that I should swerve or move as little as possible to avoid them, in my day to day use of the road. Especially if they are pulling out while looking straight at me expecting to bully me into stopping.</p> <p>As for clipping wing mirrors that&#39;s more to do with not having enough space than being nasty and cars parking too far from the kurb.</p> <p>I treat everyone fairly on the flip side of that I treat people the way they treat me which is only fair! as for being a four star I will interpret that to mean sexy, in borat speach.</p> <p>In my own defence I always have time for cyclists. I don&#39;t swerve into them or cut them up. I don&#39;t drive too close, pull out at round abouts or intersections and expect to bully them into stopping. I don&#39;t get annoyed when they are travelling a long at 15kmh or so and start beebing my horn or revving my engine.</p> <p>In short the attitufe you show me you will be shown in return, don&#39;t take the piss and I wont be nasty!!! </p>